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I am currently applying for a pistol permit, I'm going for an unrestricted permit but we'll see what happens. I have no criminal record and have been upstanding member of society. I am getting the permit for employment and personal protection reasons, both of those are one in the same. I have two jobs: I am a school bus driver during the week and an unarmed security guard on the weekends. I would also like my permit so I can eventually become an armed security guard eventually. My bus driving job produces the most threats to my physical well being, parents get upset when you tell them you won't do special favor for them or their child. I work in a city driving around "ghetto" kids and sometimes their parents get really out of control when you say no to something they want. I get threatened once in a while by people saying they want to come get me because they are upset with how I did my job. They threaten that they'll be waiting for me at my job and sometimes they're actually there waiting but get dealt with by management and the situation is often diffused. My concern is what if that doesn't stop them from following me home, to the grocery store or gas station?

I want to know why having references (also known as friends) has anything to do with gun ownership. I am new to the gun world and purchased my first firearm less than a week ago. The whole process took about 45 minutes, including the background check and the store was pretty busy. I bought a savage arms model 64 .22lr to get myself acquainted with guns in general before I start getting into handguns. I took the NRA firearms class that you need before you can even apply as you guys all know. Now like they said in the class you need four references, people that will vouch for you and say you're of good moral character and they don't think you are a danger with a handgun. Problem is I don't really have friends so I had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to figure out people to use for "references".


To think I can go to a gun store, buy a rifle and have it my car with 150 rounds in 45 minutes with as little as my signature and a quick backround check. Then in the same state want to buy a handgun, have it cost a lot more and take around 120 days to even hear back from the county and need to have friends that will vouch for you is just one of the most ridiculous things on earth.
 

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Welcome to a 'May Issue' state with the most restrictive of handgun laws in the nation.

Remember to register to vote and oust Herr Cuomo in November. Rob Astorino for Governer. Make sure to tell your friends and family.
 

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Same reason a pistol weighing 51oz is illegal, but a pistol weighing 49oz is legal.
 

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Welcome, the permitting system in this (and every other) state is illegal as it is in direct contradiction with the 2A.

But, it is what it is for now. References are used to ensure your not some sort of weird "shut in" with no friends. Although, I couldnt imagine you would be allowed to carry while working as it involves bringing kids to school and you cant carry on school grounds.

I wouldnt even think about putting that on your permit or expect some questions and a possible denial. Good luck and ask more questions if u have them.
 

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some counties will actually interview your neighbors, even if you dont know them.
 

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I am currently applying for a pistol permit, I'm going for an unrestricted permit but we'll see what happens. I have no criminal record and have been upstanding member of society. I am getting the permit for employment and personal protection reasons, both of those are one in the same. I have two jobs: I am a school bus driver during the week and an unarmed security guard on the weekends. I would also like my permit so I can eventually become an armed security guard eventually. My bus driving job produces the most threats to my physical well being, parents get upset when you tell them you won't do special favor for them or their child. I work in a city driving around "ghetto" kids and sometimes their parents get really out of control when you say no to something they want. I get threatened once in a while by people saying they want to come get me because they are upset with how I did my job. They threaten that they'll be waiting for me at my job and sometimes they're actually there waiting but get dealt with by management and the situation is often diffused. My concern is what if that doesn't stop them from following me home, to the grocery store or gas station?

I want to know why having references (also known as friends) has anything to do with gun ownership. I am new to the gun world and purchased my first firearm less than a week ago. The whole process took about 45 minutes, including the background check and the store was pretty busy. I bought a savage arms model 64 .22lr to get myself acquainted with guns in general before I start getting into handguns. I took the NRA firearms class that you need before you can even apply as you guys all know. Now like they said in the class you need four references, people that will vouch for you and say you're of good moral character and they don't think you are a danger with a handgun. Problem is I don't really have friends so I had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to figure out people to use for "references".

To think I can go to a gun store, buy a rifle and have it my car with 150 rounds in 45 minutes with as little as my signature and a quick backround check. Then in the same state want to buy a handgun, have it cost a lot more and take around 120 days to even hear back from the county and need to have friends that will vouch for you is just one of the most ridiculous things on earth.
try to find references that want to sell you guns and gear, you're guaranteed to get a positive referral.
 

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Welcome, the permitting system in this (and every other) state is illegal as it is in direct contradiction with the 2A.

But, it is what it is for now. References are used to ensure your not some sort of weird "shut in" with no friends. Although, I couldnt imagine you would be allowed to carry while working as it involves bringing kids to school and you cant carry on school grounds.

I wouldnt even think about putting that on your permit or expect some questions and a possible denial. Good luck and ask more questions if u have them.
Weird shut ins. LMFAO!! Don't want them packing heat while they are shut in !
 

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If you think that's rediculous wait till you get deeper into how twisted the gun control laws are in this state.

We ban guns with the ability to attach a bayonet, for what reason no one can explain.
 

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If you are a bus driver and list that as a reason for unrestricted you will be denied all together. Remember, your bus goes on school property at least twice a day. So you would be committing a FELONY each time you drive onto school grounds. I am not giving you legal advice, but thats my opinion.
 

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I know right, its not like its a constitutional right.... we are all guilty until proven innocent now. A permitting system is exactly that, you have to prove your a good person. I despise the permitting scheme.

If you think that's rediculous wait till you get deeper into how twisted the gun control laws are in this state.

We ban guns with the ability to attach a bayonet, for what reason no one can explain.
 

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Oh there is no way I would be carrying at work that wouldn't even cross my mind. My concern is if I bump into one of those people at the store or something and they want to start trouble.
 

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It's a rule that is a form of "appeasement" to those who are averse to gun ownership....it makes these sorts "feel good" that at least a few other responsible and trustworthy people (supposedly) see you in a positive light, opining there is no reason to refuse your request for a permit. It really has nothing to do with your enumerated Right of bearing arms under the 2nd amendment, just a ridiculous bump in the road to accessing your "Rights" through a permit from Big Brother. In a saner world, one operated according to logic and reason, there would be no such ridiculous need to list "references". But, we are far from that place.
 

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Hoops, hoops and more hoops.
 

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Can we require 4 references and an FBI background check in order to vote too ?
 

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It is just another road block to try to prevent you from exercising your rights. It is not for the children, public safety or "Officer Safety" it is just something to make people think this is too hard or be embarassed about so they don't even try. Communism at work.
 

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As someone who is currently sitting on almost 19 months because one of my references was an idiot, it's a waste of time. I despise the process and to wait the time I have and I will most likely be a restricted permit...
 

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s.QUOTE=Kasabian1988;925459]Oh there is no way I would be carrying at work that wouldn't even cross my mind. My concern is if I bump into one of those people at the store or something and they want to start trouble.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, this doesnt sound very smart to me. Have you read Article 35 yet? Using dpf (deadly physical force) to defend yourself is an absolute last resort. Carrying a firearm; for personal protection, is a huge responsibility and I would urge you to take a class that will go over article 35 and other related topics prior to you starting to carry a firearm for personal protection. I am strongly against the permitting system,but I'm a very big advocate of being a responsible citizen in getting as much training as possible. This does several things, first and foremost it protects yourself, and also to protects the reputation of all law abiding pistol permit holders.
 

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Same reason a pistol weighing 51oz is illegal, but a pistol weighing 49oz is legal.
Ha! The first thing that popped into my head when reading the thread title was to refer him to the 50oz thread. I see you were all over it.

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