[Temporaryscars]

Ha, yeah, the 900-year-old man who gathered two of every living thing on the planet (including thousands of different species of insects) onto a boat and made them screw.

 

[ECU Pirates]

I'm well aware of what each book details. Doesn't the bible include both testaments, or should we scrap the 10 commandments?

Your post about killing homosexuals was a reply to someone saying Christians are more tolerant or something like that. You can't be a Christian without Christ. The old testament is B.C. Christians follow the teachings of Christ. They are supposed to turn the other cheek and not follow the old testament rule of an eye for an eye. Your examples of intolerance are old testament.

The commandments are mentioned by Jesus in the new testament and the old by Moses. That is why Christians (and Jews I think?) follow them.

"On the contrary, when asked, "Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?" He responded, "But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:16-17 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

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He explained that obeying the Ten Commandments is a prerequisite for receiving God's gift of eternal life. One who repents is one who simply begins keeping the laws of God, because sin is the breaking of those laws (1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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I find it funny how many bible beater politicians break about ever one of the ten!

 

[stearn786]

Like bombing a federal building in Oklahoma City?

Timothy McVeigh was a self-professed agnostic. He was raised Catholic, and that's as far as calling him a Christian can go.
As for the Old Testament, the things in the law are not null and void. The New Testament makes it clear that breaking the Ten Commandments is still a sin. The difference is that instead of condemnation for sin, we have forgiveness through Jesus. Again, your choice is to believe what you want. I appreciate the reasonable discussion though, it's nice not to have the usual shouting match that goes along with religious discussion.

 

[Temporaryscars]

Timothy McVeigh was a self-professed agnostic. He was raised Catholic, and that's as far as calling him a Christian can go.
As for the Old Testament, the things in the law are not null and void. The New Testament makes it clear that breaking the Ten Commandments is still a sin. The difference is that instead of condemnation for sin, we have forgiveness through Jesus. Again, your choice is to believe what you want. I appreciate the reasonable discussion though, it's nice not to have the usual shouting match that goes along with religious discussion.

What you're doing is picking and choosing which parts of the bible you want to believe. There's a problem with that.

1. Is the bible the word of god?
2. Is your god infallible?
3. If your god is infallible, and the bible is the word of god, then ALL of it is relevant, including the rape, torture and slavery.

If you're willing to cast aside the parts of the bible that don't sit well with you, that tells me two things. One is If your god does truly exist, then he's sadistic. Second, I can honestly say that you and I are morally superior than it is.

Just to come full circle, there's plenty of horrific stuff in the new testament as well.

And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them.

"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

In Matthew, chapter 10 verse 34 it says "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

Still don't believe me? Let me ask you this. Do you have kids? If so, great. If not, you can replace this with any loved one.

Can you name a single crime that your child could commit that would make it okay for you to take them into your basement and torture them for the rest of eternity? If the greatest crime they could commit was that they didn't love you back, would you think that eternal torture was a just punishment?

According to Christianity, the only unforgivable sin is apostasy. If your child were to become an athiest, do you think that they would deserve to be tortured and burned in hell for the rest of eternity?

If you answer yes to that, then you probably shouldn't have children. If you answer no, then you should seriously rethink your beliefs and whether or not they're as moral as you think they may be.

 

[Temporaryscars]

Oh, I should also mention that right before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the anointing the sick. He was raise catholic and yes, at one point, he claimed he was agnostic.

In other words, I wouldn't put too much stock in what he "claimed" to be because he was simply crazy.

 

[Jeff]

I know the original topic is somewhat religion related but let's get back on the path of the original post. Not arguing about what the bible says.

 

[Temporaryscars]

Fair enough, can we at least keep the posts that have come thus far? No trimming of the fat, as it were?

 

[ECU Pirates]

If Temp ban. I mean Scars learned to turn the other cheek his name would not be in red every other week!

 

[Jeff]

Fair enough, can we at least keep the posts that have come thus far? No trimming of the fat, as it were?

I didn't delete anything. Just steering the thread back on course. Preemptive strike against it getting WAY off topic. And like I said, I know it was somewhat religion based from the start.

 

[Jeff]

If Temp ban. I mean Scars learned to turn the other cheek his name would not be in red every other week!

That post is not on topic

 

[stearn786]

Oh, I should also mention that right before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the anointing the sick. He was raise catholic and yes, at one point, he claimed he was agnostic.

In other words, I wouldn't put too much stock in what he "claimed" to be because he was simply crazy.

Agreed. He was definitely crazy. Just don't blame all Christians for one nutjob that attended church sometime somewhere.

I know the original topic is somewhat religion related but let's get back on the path of the original post. Not arguing about what the bible says.

Fine by me. I like guns, you like guns, we can agree on that!

 

[Temporaryscars]

I DISAGREE!








I love guns!

 

[mantis]

Ultimatum to US:

So the crazy murdering sand folks want us to make statements against Islam illegal here. Good luck with that.

Bonus awesome found in the details though:

"One of the participants of the rally, Abdullah Ismail, passed away after he was taken to Mayo Hospital. Witnesses said he had complained of feeling unwell from the smoke from US flags burnt at the rally."

HA. HAHAHA. Suck goat pecker in hell, you doucher!

Silly people.

I'm reminded of Bertrand Russel:

"We want to stand upon our own feet and look fair and square at the world -- its good facts, its bad facts, its beauties, and its ugliness; see the world as it is and be not afraid of it. Conquer the world by intelligence and not merely by being slavishly subdued by the terror that comes from it. The whole conception of God is a conception derived from the ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men. When you hear people in church debasing themselves and saying that they are miserable sinners, and all the rest of it, it seems contemptible and not worthy of self-respecting human beings. We ought to stand up and look the world frankly in the face. We ought to make the best we can of the world, and if it is not so good as we wish, after all it will still be better than what these others have made of it in all these ages. A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a regretful hankering after the past or a fettering of the free intelligence by the words uttered long ago by ignorant men. It needs a fearless outlook and a free intelligence. It needs hope for the future, not looking back all the time toward a past that is dead, which we trust will be far surpassed by the future that our intelligence can create. "

 

[Ralph]

BTW, OP here, not a Christian. Actually an extreme agnostic/atheist.

I am speaking more about cultures here. Our christian-influenced but secular culture is largely tolerant in comparison to their Islam-influenced and DOMINATED culture.

Idiots act like idiots and die, I get a kick out of it. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. Regardless, I'll take our flavor of crazy and two terrorists in the last 30 years to the plethora of Angry Young Muslim Males that blow **** up on the daily. Oh, and killed 3000 of our own nearly exactly 11 years ago.

 

[Temporaryscars]

BTW, OP here, not a Christian. Actually an extreme agnostic/atheist.

I am speaking more about cultures here. Our christian-influenced but secular culture is largely tolerant in comparison to their Islam-influenced and DOMINATED culture.

Idiots act like idiots and die, I get a kick out of it. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. Regardless, I'll take our flavor of crazy and two terrorists in the last 30 years to the plethora of Angry Young Muslim Males that blow **** up on the daily. Oh, and killed 3000 of our own nearly exactly 11 years ago.

It has more to do with economics than religion. We don't see a lot of domestic terrorism perpetrated by Christians because we're a first world country. It's hard to martyr yourself in between dropping the kids off at the mall and trips to Starbucks.

To compare us to third world hell holes is pointless. Apples and oranges.

 

[PA Guns & Ammo]

 

[Ralph]

Religion of peace, indeed.

muslims-crucify-cat-to-protest-anti-islam-film-17.9.2012 | BARE NAKED ISLAM

 

[RayKnobs]

How many times can they kill that cat?

Here it is posted on the internet in 2010

Crucified cat (disturbing image warning) - snopes.com

and 2011 for the anti-snopes crowd

http://catdefender.blogspot.com/2011/10/cats-on-cross-crucifixions-in-ghana-and.html

I guess it wasn't killed to protest the film. Some people will believe everything the internet tells them

 

[Temporaryscars]

RayKnobs freaking rules.

 

[Jeff]