Definitely list it, as you remember it. Sugar coating it woudnt it hurt, in my opinion lol.
Thought I had an arrest as a kid.
Hey all. Decided to go for the permit. Albany county. Here's my question.
I had some arrests in 91. I have all the details and dispositions as I paid for an unsuppressed background check.
Here's where my question gets weird. So I knew I got in trouble in 1985. Me and a buddy painted a peace sign on a school and set it on fire. It was just a brick wall. Nothing else caught on fire.
Dumb yeah, but we were kids. Anyways. I reached out to the town as it wasn't listed on my unsuppressed report. Apparently they kept arrests on file on index cards back then. She was nice enough to go thru my records from back then 84 to 86 and she said she didn't find an arrest card.
So it was the 80s. I know my dad helped out a lot. But I don't remember anything of what happened with that back in the day.
My thoughts are to list it on the application, but I'm not sure exactly how I would list it as there's nothing on file.
So I was looking for a little help on how I should list it and why would it not be listed? Maybe they never arrested me? So I'm at a loss.
Don't want this be a determining factor of not being truthful. I currently own another gun and cleared the FBI check last year.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I had some arrests in 91. I have all the details and dispositions as I paid for an unsuppressed background check.
Here's where my question gets weird. So I knew I got in trouble in 1985. Me and a buddy painted a peace sign on a school and set it on fire. It was just a brick wall. Nothing else caught on fire.
Dumb yeah, but we were kids. Anyways. I reached out to the town as it wasn't listed on my unsuppressed report. Apparently they kept arrests on file on index cards back then. She was nice enough to go thru my records from back then 84 to 86 and she said she didn't find an arrest card.
So it was the 80s. I know my dad helped out a lot. But I don't remember anything of what happened with that back in the day.
My thoughts are to list it on the application, but I'm not sure exactly how I would list it as there's nothing on file.
So I was looking for a little help on how I should list it and why would it not be listed? Maybe they never arrested me? So I'm at a loss.
Don't want this be a determining factor of not being truthful. I currently own another gun and cleared the FBI check last year.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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I would personally call the county where you will apply and ask them how to handle this. There might not be a record of it. Also lighting a building on fire is pretty serious and might be a deterrent to you getting your permit. Granted it was a long time ago so hopefully they can parse that and give you your permit but that would be a felony and any felony will preclude you from getting your permit. Maybe call a lawyer to see if they can have access to your file and advise you.
I’m certainly not telling you to lie by any means just giving you the concerns as I know them to be.
I’m certainly not telling you to lie by any means just giving you the concerns as I know them to be.
Arson is a Felony. Y.O. because of your age?. It will be on file if the Police were involved. Definitely list it on the application.Hey all. Decided to go for the permit. Albany county. Here's my question.
I had some arrests in 91. I have all the details and dispositions as I paid for an unsuppressed background check.
Here's where my question gets weird. So I knew I got in trouble in 1985. Me and a buddy painted a peace sign on a school and set it on fire. It was just a brick wall. Nothing else caught on fire.
Dumb yeah, but we were kids. Anyways. I reached out to the town as it wasn't listed on my unsuppressed report. Apparently they kept arrests on file on index cards back then. She was nice enough to go thru my records from back then 84 to 86 and she said she didn't find an arrest card.
So it was the 80s. I know my dad helped out a lot. But I don't remember anything of what happened with that back in the day.
My thoughts are to list it on the application, but I'm not sure exactly how I would list it as there's nothing on file.
So I was looking for a little help on how I should list it and why would it not be listed? Maybe they never arrested me? So I'm at a loss.
Don't want this be a determining factor of not being truthful. I currently own another gun and cleared the FBI check last year.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Thanks for the reply. It definitely was not a felony as I stated I purchased a gun last year. The 80s were different. Back then cops would escort drunks home, not arrest them all the time. That's why I'm wondering if my dad did something to keep it off the records.I would personally call the county where you will apply and ask them how to handle this. There might not be a record of it. Also lighting a building on fire is pretty serious and might be a deterrent to you getting your permit. Granted it was a long time ago so hopefully they can parse that and give you your permit but that would be a felony and any felony will preclude you from getting your permit. Maybe call a lawyer to see if they can have access to your file and advise you.
I’m certainly not telling you to lie by any means just giving you the concerns as I know them to be.
I asked the town court clerk and she said she has nothing on file. And as I paid for an unsuppressed background check. According to NY dcjs it would have been listed. Thanks again.
If the Police made contact with youths setting fire. It’s Arson, a Felony. You claim dad did something to keep it off the records. I always recommend speaking to an attorney familiar with New York pistol license matters. You will need to list every single arrest. Get all the court documents. An attorney can help, especially with this situation with arrests which may cause a judge to deny on good moral character.Thanks for the reply. It definitely was not a felony as I stated I purchased a gun last year. The 80s were different. Back then cops would escort drunks home, not arrest them all the time. That's why I'm wondering if my dad did something to keep it off the records.
I asked the town court clerk and she said she has nothing on file. And as I paid for an unsuppressed background check. According to NY dcjs it would have been listed. Thanks again.
I hear what you're saying. I guess the biggest concern is I called the county clerk's office and they don't have an arrest card. That's why I'm confused. I have an unsuppressed dcjs already and it wasn't in there either.If the Police made contact with youths setting fire. It’s Arson, a Felony. You claim dad did something to keep it off the records. I always recommend speaking to an attorney familiar with New York pistol license matters. You will need to list every single arrest. Get all the court documents. An attorney can help, especially with this situation with arrests which may cause a judge to deny on good moral character.
You will need a Court Disposition for every arrest. This is what holds back many people from applying because they can’t remember the details. You will need to remember the Police Agency that made the arrest. Your record of arrest might be in Family Court and sealed. Nothing is sealed when applying for a Pistol License or Government employment.I hear what you're saying. I guess the biggest concern is I called the county clerk's office and they don't have an arrest card. That's why I'm confused. I have an unsuppressed dcjs already and it wasn't in there either.
I have all the dispositions. The unsuppressed background check tells me everything I've done..so that's not a problem.You will need a Court Disposition for every arrest. This is what holds back many people from applying because they can’t remember the details. You will need to remember the Police Agency that made the arrest. Your record of arrest might be in Family Court and sealed. Nothing is sealed when applying for a Pistol License or Government employment.
If there's no arrest card on file. And it did go through family court. Wouldn't the unsuppressed tell me that. According to DCJS ALL records are on file. I've reached out to a lawyer for some advice. Thanks for your info.
Definitely list everything, but i'd not mention the arson angle..and if it was me, i'd pull your FB post
Deleted. do you see my dilemma though. Court clerk said nothing on file. I'll wait and see what the attorney tells me. Thanks for the reply.Definitely list everything, but i'd not mention the arson angle..and if it was me, i'd pull your FB post
So did they lose the arrest card? Was it never there? Is it sealed and on the record. I’m not sure if an unsurpressed background check would show sealed juvenile records or not. The clerk could have lost the card, not really looked, or may have not been truthful. I’d have to think he/she looked but all the above are possibilities. If the NYSP call they will look and if it’s there you’re in a denial and appeal situation. I agree and simply just make a quick call to an attorney to have them get the background check done and ensure it’s not there and not hidden from the check you did.I hear what you're saying. I guess the biggest concern is I called the county clerk's office and they don't have an arrest card. That's why I'm confused. I have an unsuppressed dcjs already and it wasn't in there either.
The dilemma your in is the exact you they want you to be in. For the arson thing did you ever go to court or was it a simple handcuff and take you to the station for your dad to pick you up? Those two things are vastly different IMO. Hicock and I have the same thoughts and advice so that’s what I would do. I’m not saying I’m the end all be all and right all the time but I have no clue if an unsupressed record check will show sealed juvenile records. Something tells me it won’t becuase those are sealed to employers.Deleted. do you see my dilemma though. Court clerk said nothing on file. I'll wait and see what the attorney tells me. Thanks for the reply.
So an update. I have been emailing the DCJS about my unsuppressed report. The person on the other end told me EVERYTHING about my criminal history is on the report.
Including if there were sealed juvenile, family court. So it seems that little incident in 85 was kept off the books. I'm still gonna consult an attorney but I feel 100% confident I have my complete criminal report in hands.
Thanks for the replies and insight.
Including if there were sealed juvenile, family court. So it seems that little incident in 85 was kept off the books. I'm still gonna consult an attorney but I feel 100% confident I have my complete criminal report in hands.
Thanks for the replies and insight.
Good news brother. I just was not sure if juvenile sealed records would be included. If they are you should be good to go.So an update. I have been emailing the DCJS about my unsuppressed report. The person on the other end told me EVERYTHING about my criminal history is on the report.
Including if there were sealed juvenile, family court. So it seems that little incident in 85 was kept off the books. I'm still gonna consult an attorney but I feel 100% confident I have my complete criminal report in hands.
Thanks for the replies and insight.
I would believe that information will be microfiche in a Police Department archives. Many pistol license applications are denied because of a sealed conviction. You definitely should use an attorney since you have an arrest. When you apply here in New York for a pistol license. It’s a more thorough investigation. They will find something and use it against you.So an update. I have been emailing the DCJS about my unsuppressed report. The person on the other end told me EVERYTHING about my criminal history is on the report.
Including if there were sealed juvenile, family court. So it seems that little incident in 85 was kept off the books. I'm still gonna consult an attorney but I feel 100% confident I have my complete criminal report in hands.
Thanks for the replies and insight.
Paloma Cappana Atty in Rochester
Microfiche. I had to Google it. Just curious are you law enforcement? So even though the person I was emailing said my entire criminal history including if I had something sealed would be listed. And the court clerk told me she doesn't have an arrest card on file for the alleged incident. There is something else that would say otherwise even though no arrest?I would believe that information will be microfiche in a Police Department archives. Many pistol license applications are denied because of a sealed conviction. You definitely should use an attorney since you have an arrest. When you apply here in New York for a pistol license. It’s a more thorough investigation. They will find something and use it against you.
Thanks again. You seem like a very knowledgeable person and really appreciate your info. I feel like after reading your comments the unsuppressed DCJS report is not the say all.
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