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unreasonable search anyone?
 

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"If effective, Lieberman said, the device could essentially bring to an end the NYPD's controversial "stop-and-frisk" campaign, which subjects more than half-a-million New Yorkers per year to largely random search by the police."

Typical government - they create a problem for people, then swoop in with what they claim to be the solution to the problem which they created in the first place.
 

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It'll only be used under "reasonably suspicious circumstances".........like when you're carrying a 64 ounce soft drink.
 

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What is this "stop and frisk" policy all about? Do they just frisk people illegally? I thought you had to have probable cause.
That's exactly what it is.
 

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Do they just frisk people illegally?
If they were out in the real world, yes, but not in NYC.

Remember, they are Bloomtards private army, and as such aren't subject to rules meant for points outside of the kingdom.
 

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Or they'll watch what car you get in then pull you over for crossing a solid yellow line or making an illegal lane change.
Probably.

Jaywalking,loitering or a dirty shirt would likely get it done too.
 

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The're not using it, just "testing it". So it can't be illegal.
Exactly. Does that mean we can test post-ban 30 round magazines?
 

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What is this "stop and frisk" policy all about? Do they just frisk people illegally? I thought you had to have probable cause.
The burden for a stop and frisk is reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime or are about to commit a crime. If an officer had probable cause that you committed a crime, he would be obligated to make an arrest, and of course a search would come with that.

Stop and frisk is based on reasonable suspicion. The person being frisked is not forced to empty his pockets or cooperate with the search. He can easily refuse to consent, according to the patrolman's guide they can then frisk the outside of their clothing without consent, and investigate if a genuinely suspicious bulge or object is detected. It is not a search. So it can't be unreasonable. It's a frisk.

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The burden for a stop and frisk is reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime or are about to commit a crime. If an officer had probably cause that you committed a crime, he would be obligated to make an arrest, and of course a search would come with that.

Stop and frisk is based on reasonable suspicion. The person being frisked is not forced to empty his pockets or cooperate with the search. He can easily refuse to consent, according to the patrolman's guide they can then frisk the outside of their clothing without consent, and investigate if a genuinely suspicious bulge or object is detected. It is not a search. So it can't be unreasonable. It's a frisk.

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Frisk the outside of their clothing without consent? BS. If a cop comes up to me on the street and starts feeling me up without my consent we have a problem.
 

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Yet another reason to not go to Sodom, I mean NYC. Wonder if this only works if your carrying Mexican?
 

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The burden for a stop and frisk is reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime or are about to commit a crime. If an officer had probably cause that you committed a crime, he would be obligated to make an arrest, and of course a search would come with that.

Stop and frisk is based on reasonable suspicion. The person being frisked is not forced to empty his pockets or cooperate with the search. He can easily refuse to consent, according to the patrolman's guide they can then frisk the outside of their clothing without consent, and investigate if a genuinely suspicious bulge or object is detected. It is not a search. So it can't be unreasonable. It's a frisk.

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From what I have been reading, most of them were illegal and threats by some of the police have been made. I doubt most of the NYCPD frisk people on "probable cause". It is like a whole other country in that city. I do not think most of the constitution applies.

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What is this "stop and frisk" policy all about? Do they just frisk people illegally? I thought you had to have probable cause.
The burden for a stop and frisk is reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime or are about to commit a crime. If an officer had probably cause that you committed a crime, he would be obligated to make an arrest, and of course a search would come with that.

Stop and frisk is based on reasonable suspicion. The person being frisked is not forced to empty his pockets or cooperate with the search. He can easily refuse to consent, according to the patrolman's guide they can then frisk the outside of their clothing without consent, and investigate if a genuinely suspicious bulge or object is detected. It is not a search. So it can't be unreasonable. It's a frisk.

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From what I have been reading, most of them were illegal and threats by some of the police have been made. I doubt most of the NYCPD frisk people on "probable cause". It is like a whole other country in that city. I do not think most of the constitution applies.

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I don't know where CrackSlinger got his information from, but it seems to vary from what i've seen. There is a documentary that is on MSNBC or one of the like channels, and they go in to detail about this exact scenario w/ video proof of NYPD ILLEGALLY S&S on people. The documentary is about pot and how it vastly differs as you start on the west coast and make your way out to NY.

What IS going on is that NYPD simply comes up to you, gives you a hard time, and makes you empty your pockets. As soon as you do, that small amount of pot that you had in your pocket which would carry a sissy slap on the wrist and $25 fine charge has now been upgraded because it's in view of the public. From there, you'd be hauled off to jail, processed & released.

It's a bunch of bull****, it really looks like (even though it is of course denied) that they are mostly targeting black men in the age range of 18-death, and a few other minorities. It's not about guns, it's not about drugs. It's about complete abuse of power over people who (realistically) can't do anything about it. Hell, i'm a middle-class white male and if it happened to me, I couldn't afford the lawyer either
 

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