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There is a reason that Bloomberg and his Democrat Buddies are going all in for UBC.
Ask yourself this: Do you really trust Bloomberg Schumer and company?

Current law requires checks only on sales by licensed gun dealers.
Per Harry Reid:
"I want to be clear," Reid said. "In order to be effective, any bill that passes the Senate must include background checks."
"a background check requirement is, in the eyes of many, the most important provision left on the table," says Sean Sullivan at The Washington Post. If Democrats can't win on this one, they'll come out of the 2013 gun debate defeated and demoralized.
The [universal background check] will require any citizen selling their gun to go through their local FFL [Federal Firearms Licensed] dealer. That means: you find someone who wants to purchase your firearm. Both of you go to a gun store and pay the gun store a processing fee to do the paperwork on the sale... and if everything turns out okay, the purchaser comes back 30 days later and picks up his gun. If everything does not turn out okay (e.g. if the purchaser has an unpaid parking ticket from 5 years ago) then the sale does NOT go through...
Now comes the sinister part! This is why Bloomberg is spending millions.
The worst part of UBC will be the check on the seller (that's you and me). In the interest of getting illegal guns off the street, the left will want to throw in this little addition to the universal background check scheme: the seller must prove that they legally own the gun they are seeking to sell... If you attempt to sell an old shotgun your father left you years ago, to your neighbor you have known for 10 years, both of you must go to the FFL dealer and fill out the paperwork. When it turns out you don't have a bill of sale for the shotgun IN YOUR NAME, you are now in possession of an illegal gun. The shotgun will be confiscated and the police will now have a reason to search your house for any other illegal weapons you might have in your possession. [American Thinker]

Do not be fooled people. Do not be sucked in by the hype and innocent sounding names and rhetoric.
 

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Help me out here because I admit I don't really see a tremendous problem with background checks. Yep, it's an increased hassle and carries increased costs but I'm missing why we're so against it. Most anything I buy is handguns and it's either LGS or internet so I have a nics check each time and it really doesn't hurt.
 

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Background checks are defacto registration of the fact that you own guns. what kind is irrelevant. Just the fact that you have them is enough.
 

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If thee is a UBC it should work like this you want to sell gun to a buyer you and them go to the FFL buyer pays 10.00 has a check run if it come back OK then he gets a release to give you and that's it no specific gun is ever mentioned or logged in by the FFL and that's it if its a handgun of coarse it has to go on your permit long gun you make the sale now we have made sure that a criminal hasent gotten a gun because after all isent that the point to keep guns away from criminals not law abiding citizens
 

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But all my handguns are already registered and nobody ever complains about that. I also never hear anyone complain about having a nics check because they bought a gun at a lgs. If you don't mind having a background check on new gun purchases why are we opposed to background checks for used gun purchases?
Again - not arguing just trying to figure out where I stand I guess. Right now I can't say I have too much problem with background checks.
 

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The BGC law is unenforceable without registration. They want a paper trail on every gun owner in the country. They can't take them or effectively threaten prison time unless the have a list of firearms owners. It will NOT stop crime as prohibition and the war on drugs has proven, it will only effect people that are willing to follow the law in the first place
 

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If Democrats can't win on this one, they'll come out of the 2013 gun debate defeated and demoralized.
And this should be our goal.
 

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But all my handguns are already registered and nobody ever complains about that.
That's because you live in a communist/socialist state. In a free state your only background check is when you get your permit, not when you buy the gun.
 

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but, but, but, but, It's Common Sense isn't it?

Thanks for posting this Beretta Guy! This is very important for the ordinary gun owner to know... after all who could be against backround checks right?
 

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Mark, i guess you didnt read what berettaguy posted or yoou would clearly see the problem with it.

This is a huge problem, and it clearly shows why they are pushing so hard.
 

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Very simple for those who dont get it.

do you need a background check to sell someone a car? No, but what i they have drunk driving convictions? Thats not our responsibility, and keeping in mind that driving a car isnt even a Constitutionally protected right!

handgun registration is illegal by the federal government. The states are violating our Constitutionally protected right by requiring registration, but if you want a handgun its the only way to get one.
 

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Mark, i guess you didnt read what berettaguy posted or yoou would clearly see the problem with it.

This is a huge problem, and it clearly shows why they are pushing so hard.
Yep, as posted above I'm 110% against it. A simple nics check to ensure the buyer is not a felon I can't have too much trouble with though. I do agree it's basically unenforceable though.
 

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But all my handguns are already registered and nobody ever complains about that. I also never hear anyone complain about having a nics check because they bought a gun at a lgs. If you don't mind having a background check on new gun purchases why are we opposed to background checks for used gun purchases?
Again - not arguing just trying to figure out where I stand I guess. Right now I can't say I have too much problem with background checks.
Where have you been? We complain about handguns being registered all the time. The system we have for registering handguns is not done in the majority of the country. I'm not opposed to background checks per se but the fact that when you have one done they are sending the firearm information with it basically creates a registry. The government now knows who bought it, where the gun will be kept and what kind of guns they have. In order to do background checks right, there should be no firearms information submitted. Just a name, either the person is prohibited or they aren't.
 

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If someone is considered such a threat to society that they are considered ineligible for firearm ownership, then why are they out on the streets to begin with? What percentage of the population is red flagged in the NICS database? 1%? Then deal with them, not the other 99%. Keep the 1% locked up. Have stricter penalties for crimes. Tighten up the probation system. Focus on mental health issues. Leave the 99% the hell alone!
 

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Help me out here because I admit I don't really see a tremendous problem with background checks. Yep, it's an increased hassle and carries increased costs but I'm missing why we're so against it. Most anything I buy is handguns and it's either LGS or internet so I have a nics check each time and it really doesn't hurt.
Do you not get the part about a background check on the seller and paper work to prove that he bought it?
 

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As with everything they dream up this is so full of holes as to be unenforceable. Private sales will continue as they have just a little more covert. They don't know what we own or don't own as no one has had to report anything ever....so there is no way for them to be able to tell if the guns I have were bought yesterday from you or handed to me by my granddad 40 years ago.

They're really very, very stupid.
 

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universal background checks may be insignificant and not a big deal to those who live in NY or other comblock states, but to people who live in the somewhat-free-amerika, it's a big deal. I do private sales on occasion, but always have a bill of sale and prefer a CCW for the transaction.

the minute this universal background check nonsense gets put into place, it creates a full blown papertrail for the govt of everything, even firearms i and other have purchased privately and perhaps seek to sell.

NONE of the shootings would have been stopped using UBC's. weapons were either bought legally or stolen.

I also have a serious issues with a corrupt, murdering govt deciding who is fit to own a gun and who isn't based on their rules and edicts.
 

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As with everything they dream up this is so full of holes as to be unenforceable. Private sales will continue as they have just a little more covert. They don't know what we own or don't own as no one has had to report anything ever....so there is no way for them to be able to tell if the guns I have were bought yesterday from you or handed to me by my granddad 40 years ago.

They're really very, very stupid.
let's say someone buys a gun private after UBC is effective. they'll figure out sooner or later that it was bought/sold illegal because there is no 4473/govt document proving the sale was legal.

May take a month or 5 years.
 

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But all my handguns are already registered and nobody ever complains about that. I also never hear anyone complain about having a nics check because they bought a gun at a lgs. If you don't mind having a background check on new gun purchases why are we opposed to background checks for used gun purchases?
Again - not arguing just trying to figure out where I stand I guess. Right now I can't say I have too much problem with background checks.
How about NONE of my guns (and I have quite a few, including a dozen or so handguns) are "registered" with anyone....oh, I take that back, my old Colt revolver is registered with the state of NY from back in 1967, but I have lived many places since then.
 
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