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Obama Says after 9-11, US 'tortured Some Folks'

This is war and im tired of this clown apologizing to the world for what the CIA did to help make our country safer. The rest of the world tortures people on an hourly basis.

America doesn't owe the world an apology or an explanation, so STFU pu***
 

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how does this ******* think he got bin laden? I'm sure the intell we got from enhanced interrogation didn't help. The next two years can't pass quickly enough. I'm so sick and tired of this POS in the White House.
 

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I was always raised on the idea of America being all about truth and honor. No matter what our enemies did to us, no matter the pain or risk, we were BETTER than them. We would NEVER stoop to their level.

That being said, unless this clown WANTS one of these puffed-up self righteous monsters to attack us, he really should STFU. Appearing weak will only bring about more pain and anguish.
 

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The thing I can't get my head around is the people who still defend him and think he's great. How misguided can a person be. I'd be on my own apology tour to ask forgiveness for having fallen for his bull****.
 

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I was always raised on the idea of America being all about truth and honor. No matter what our enemies did to us, no matter the pain or risk, we were BETTER than them. We would NEVER stoop to their level.
Torture is an American value, shame on Obama for not stating the obvious.
 

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Torture is illegal in the US, for good reason. It is what savages do, and does not have a very good track record of being effective in any case. It is closely correlated with backwards societies such as those in the middle east, and oppressive governments that rule through fear.

I'm disappointed that people in this thread cheer it as a positive.
 

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Torture is illegal in the US, for good reason. It is what savages do, and does not have a very good track record of being effective in any case. It is closely correlated with backwards societies such as those in the middle east, and oppressive governments that rule through fear.

I'm disappointed that people in this thread cheer it as a positive.
We didn't torture anybody.
 

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I was always raised on the idea of America being all about truth and honor. No matter what our enemies did to us, no matter the pain or risk, we were BETTER than them. We would NEVER stoop to their level.

That being said, unless this clown WANTS one of these puffed-up self righteous monsters to attack us, he really should STFU. Appearing weak will only bring about more pain and anguish.
yeah after 31 years of service I don't believe in torture either. As President, I would use Nuclear Weapons to destroy the will to fight and serve as a notice to others.
 

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Torture is illegal in the US, for good reason. It is what savages do, and does not have a very good track record of being effective in any case. It is closely correlated with backwards societies such as those in the middle east, and oppressive governments that rule through fear.

I'm disappointed that people in this thread cheer it as a positive.
It's not a positive. It's wholly unthinkable. BUT, it's in the past. We don't need the Commander-crybaby standing at a podium with tears in his eyes apologizing for it. it's done, it's over. Now America is even weaker than we were a week ago. NObama is on a tear to make this country a weak, meek country open for anyone to come here and do stupid things.

Let it go and move on. but noooo, NObama has to go on TV and "apologize"~~~screw that
 

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We didn't torture anybody.
Either you're ignorant of the facts or purposely ignoring them, MURDER and TORTURE by US personnel is a matter of public record.

Does CRUCIFIXION qualify as "torture" in your world?

The Central Intelligence Agency crucified a prisoner in Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, according to a report published in The New Yorker magazine.


"A forensic examiner found that he (the prisoner) had essentially been crucified; he died from asphyxiation after having been hung by his arms, in a hood, and suffering broken ribs," the magazine's Jane Mayer writes in the magazine's June 22nd issue. "Military pathologists classified the case a homicide." The date of the murder was not given. An earlier report, by John Hendren in The Los Angeles Times indicted other torture killings. And Human Rights First says nearly 100 detainees have died in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 

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We didn't torture anybody.
US unequivocally water-boarded, and most laws recognize that as torture:
Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's not a positive. It's wholly unthinkable. BUT, it's in the past. We don't need the Commander-crybaby standing at a podium with tears in his eyes apologizing for it. it's done, it's over. Now America is even weaker than we were a week ago. NObama is on a tear to make this country a weak, meek country open for anyone to come here and do stupid things.

Let it go and move on. but noooo, NObama has to go on TV and "apologize"~~~screw that
Until people repent for their sins, they will repeat them. I firmly believe that Bush and his administration should have been impeached for misleading the US populace and getting the US embroiled in a war that has cost hundreds of billions of dollars and many thousands of lives. People want to forget about that and move on as well, but without atoning for sins we do not truly internalize them. In the case of the Iraq war, the lack of punishment for those who inappropriately led the US to war means there is not sufficient motivation to avoid similar negligence in the future. I see the same with torture. If it is brushed under the rug and there is not an honest come to Jesus over it, what prevents its recurrence?
 

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Torture is illegal in the US, for good reason. It is what savages do, and does not have a very good track record of being effective in any case. It is closely correlated with backwards societies such as those in the middle east, and oppressive governments that rule through fear.

I'm disappointed that people in this thread cheer it as a positive.
Let's say you are a person whom is detained as a known terrorist. We know that you have information and we ask politely if you will tell us what your plan is ......

you're going to sit there and say "I ain't telling you ****."

You bet your ****ing ass I'm gonna do something to you to make you breakdown and talk .... or you'll be within one inch of your death and you'll remain in that condition until you talk .... your choice. Basically, you're mentality of "we shouldn't torture" is pure BS and is one of the many reasons our country is nearly destroyed. Maybe you should protest Gitmo and free all of the terrorists while you're at it. **** ... let them all be FREE!! They can dance and skip through the ****ing tulips and as they pass you by with your big smile because you're so proud that you succeeded .... they blow your ass up because noone had information that they had a pipe bomb shoved up their ass!! No ... this mentality of "rules of engagement" in war is bull**** and the no torture thing is pure bull****!!! It's a nation of pussies .... welcome to a democrap run country.
 

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Rape, Crucifixion, Drowning, Murder.....................how could anyone misconstrue these 'merican values as torture?
 

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US unequivocally water-boarded, and most laws recognize that as torture:
Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Until people repent for their sins, they will repeat them. I firmly believe that Bush and his administration should have been impeached for misleading the US populace and getting the US embroiled in a war that has cost hundreds of billions of dollars and many thousands of lives. People want to forget about that and move on as well, but without atoning for sins we do not truly internalize them. In the case of the Iraq war, the lack of punishment for those who inappropriately led the US to war means there is not sufficient motivation to avoid similar negligence in the future. I see the same with torture. If it is brushed under the rug and there is not an honest come to Jesus over it, what prevents its recurrence?
Wow ...you couldn't be more further from the truth on this. The war started way before Bush .... why do you african dictator supporters always place blame?? Your boy is lawless and has spent TRILLIONS in support of his terrorist groups and in destroying this nation!! I think you need to open your eyes and please .... don't ever use wikipedia for a definition nor anything else because it's not accurate at all and anyone can change it to meet their needs. That's what it was created for. Misinformation. BTW .... These wars started before Reagan. The US stuck it's nose in, the terrorists attacked us and ... here we are. Speaking of war .... when is the african dictator bringing home the troops again?? Ohhhhh ...... right ..... I forgot .... the dictator started another war. My bad.

Oh ... have you met Temporaryscars yet?? He'll be in here soon enough I'm sure. LOL

Rape, Crucifixion, Drowning, Murder.....................how could anyone misconstrue these 'merican values as torture?
No ... those are worldly values.
 

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Obama Says after 9-11, US 'tortured Some Folks'

This is war and im tired of this clown apologizing to the world for what the CIA did to help make our country safer. The rest of the world tortures people on an hourly basis.

America doesn't owe the world an apology or an explanation, so STFU pu***
We did torture people, tortured people say what they think the torturer wants to hear, and the CIA has never, ever, done anything to make anyone in the USA safer. In fact, people around the world hate us and want to kill us because of actions of the CIA. Are you applying for a job with Faux News?
 

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We did torture people, tortured people say what they think the torturer wants to hear, and the CIA has never, ever, done anything to make anyone in the USA safer. In fact, people around the world hate us and want to kill us because of actions of the CIA. Are you applying for a job with Faux News?
Sure, some people want to kill us. Do you really believe these radical Islamic terrorists hate us just because we waterboarded a few people? They do much worse. Shooting fellow muslims in the back of the head en mass, decapitating journalists, the list goes on and on.

What is REALLY telling is how many people from around the world want to emigrate to our country for a BETTER life. How many other countries can say that, especially Muslim dominated countries?
 

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We did torture people, tortured people say what they think the torturer wants to hear, and the CIA has never, ever, done anything to make anyone in the USA safer. In fact, people around the world hate us and want to kill us because of actions of the CIA. Are you applying for a job with Faux News?
I agree with you BUT ..... I'd like to point out that our military sure as hell has done something to keep Americans safe and they too have used waterboarding and other techniques to make a detained enemy talk. There's no denying that. Now ... I must say that although I'm not 100% behind this "torture" stuff, I do have a firm belief that sometimes there is a need for some techniques to be used. Seriously ..... terrorist attacks killed how many innocent people?? How many people are still dying BECAUSE of the events of 9/11?? A close friend has many health issues now from that event as a result of trying to save people. He has severe respiratory issues and he actually ripped muscles so badly that one arm is now only of 30% use. Many of his comrades are dying from implications brought on by the events that day. So are these long lasting and chronic problems he and many others are suffering from not themselves experiencing a form of torture??
 

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The thing I can't get my head around is the people who still defend him and think he's great. How misguided can a person be. I'd be on my own apology tour to ask forgiveness for having fallen for his bull****.
The people who get "free stuff" from him, will aways defend him.Even the ones who don't get "free stuff" but believe others should get "free stuff" will always defend him as well.
 

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I agree with you BUT ..... I'd like to point out that our military sure as hell has done something to keep Americans safe and they too have used waterboarding and other techniques to make a detained enemy talk. There's no denying that.
CS, you've been watching too much 24, we get more BAD intel from torture than you seemingly can fathom. Interrogators have known for decades that torture has VERY limited utility in extracting information. Building rapport and trust with a suspected bad guy produces real intelligence versus lies extracted through the end of a cattle prod.

The C.I.A., according to a Washington Post summary of the report, misrepresented its activities to the civilian government that's supposed to keep it in check in three major ways: by hiding some of its most abusive "techniques," by inflating the importance of the people they abused and the plots they desperately described, and by taking credit for intelligence that was divulged not during harsh interrogations but under traditional questioning.

Some of the report's findings, including details about a vast network of "black sites" located around the world, are new. Much of this, however, has been known for quite some time. Way back in 2007, Katherine Eban published an article on VF.com titled "Rorschach and Awe," describing the way Agency operatives, under direct orders from Director George Tenet, had interrupted a successful, rapport-based F.B.I. interrogation of al-Qaeda flunky Abu Zubaydah, so they could introduce a new set of bizarre tactics that would "get him to reveal everything by severing his sense of personality and scaring him almost to death."


The only trouble was, Zubaydah had coughed up all his best information during the friendly F.B.I. interrogation. No matter: to defend its new tactics, the C.I.A. just lied and took all the credit.
 
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