100% sure a squib won't cycle an action totally?!?!
Tap rack drills have their place. Once upi start shooting wth a more defined purpose, yuo'll see where they come in.
Serious AK safety story
Over this past weekend my buddy and I went shooting, both of us had our AKs, now everyone knows of the AKs reliability, but I don't hear many speak of the ammo.
As we were shooting (standard Tula loads) we got a click and no bang. Weird. My friend racked his bolt back and it spit out an empty casing, he let it ride forward and it chambered a new round and completely went into battery, ready to fire.
I looked closely at the casing as it came out and hit the ground, I could clearly see powder in it, luckily my friend was hesitant to resume shooting and it gave me that split second to warn him, I immediately said "Don't fire! Don't fire! You have a bullet in your barrel that was a squib load!"
We stripped down the AK and knocked the bullet back out of the barrel using a Mosin Nagant cleaning rod (I had also brought my sniper Nagant along but didn't shoot it much, it didn't have its scope yet) and snapped it all back together. A few rounds after that we had a hang fire (same magazine, meaning probably same box of bullets) and it had quite a delay on it. We figured later it must have been just a ****ty batch of bullets in that box.
All in all nothing bad happened that day and it was a good day of shooting I just thought I'd pass the story along because no matter how reliable your firearms is, no matter who loaded your ammo and no matter how much you clean and take care of anything and everything firearms related, bad things can happen. A little more rush and a little less attention to detail and this post could have been about the AK receiver shrapnel stuck in my face, or about how my buddy made it through 4 tours overseas only to lose his hand shooting paper targets.
This story is just a lil reminder for everyone, STAY SAFE. Remember the power these things can have when stuff goes wrong.
This story is also a good example of why I do not believe at all in the "Tap, rack, fire" solution to "dud rounds" or any jam for that matter, had we just done that, there would have been a big mess to clean up, possible injuries, and a nice AK down the tubes.
As we were shooting (standard Tula loads) we got a click and no bang. Weird. My friend racked his bolt back and it spit out an empty casing, he let it ride forward and it chambered a new round and completely went into battery, ready to fire.
I looked closely at the casing as it came out and hit the ground, I could clearly see powder in it, luckily my friend was hesitant to resume shooting and it gave me that split second to warn him, I immediately said "Don't fire! Don't fire! You have a bullet in your barrel that was a squib load!"
We stripped down the AK and knocked the bullet back out of the barrel using a Mosin Nagant cleaning rod (I had also brought my sniper Nagant along but didn't shoot it much, it didn't have its scope yet) and snapped it all back together. A few rounds after that we had a hang fire (same magazine, meaning probably same box of bullets) and it had quite a delay on it. We figured later it must have been just a ****ty batch of bullets in that box.
All in all nothing bad happened that day and it was a good day of shooting I just thought I'd pass the story along because no matter how reliable your firearms is, no matter who loaded your ammo and no matter how much you clean and take care of anything and everything firearms related, bad things can happen. A little more rush and a little less attention to detail and this post could have been about the AK receiver shrapnel stuck in my face, or about how my buddy made it through 4 tours overseas only to lose his hand shooting paper targets.
This story is just a lil reminder for everyone, STAY SAFE. Remember the power these things can have when stuff goes wrong.
This story is also a good example of why I do not believe at all in the "Tap, rack, fire" solution to "dud rounds" or any jam for that matter, had we just done that, there would have been a big mess to clean up, possible injuries, and a nice AK down the tubes.
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Tap rack drills have their place. Once upi start shooting wth a more defined purpose, yuo'll see where they come in.
I have never had one during a bump fire but I'm pretty sure (in an AK anyway) that it won't cycle, if the bullet doesn't leave the barrel it won't pass the gas piston hole and cycle the rifle. I can't think of a rifle that would cycle on a squib fire actually, it'll either be a squib (which is where the primer goes off but not the powder) or a hang-fire, which sets off all the powder late (which would make the bullet leave the barrel).100% sure a squib won't cycle an action totally?!?!
Tap rack drills have their place. Once upi start shooting wth a more defined purpose, yuo'll see where they come in.
I suppose it could happen if only a few grains of powder went off and somehow not the rest, just enough to push the bullet to the tip of the barrel but not out, although I can't see how that would happen, gun powder is either gonna go off or do nothing.
Yea tap racks have their purpose but even in training I'd be weary of trying them without checking my bore unless I was 100% sure the WHOLE bullet came out and not just the casing.
Never heard of a Squib load before, but thanks for the heads up. Might help me save an eye or a hand in the future.
If you have never seen one, check out these videos:Never heard of a Squib load before, but thanks for the heads up. Might help me save an eye or a hand in the future.
Beretta 9mm Squib Load with Slow Motion - YouTube
Text Book Example of a Squib Load - YouTube
Yea, I just watched these videos and some more. Scary stuff. I'm going to have to ask the rest of my family that shoots if they know about this stuff.If you have never seen one, check out these videos:
Beretta 9mm Squib Load with Slow Motion - YouTube
Text Book Example of a Squib Load - YouTube
Also, even though it happend with a Tula brand ammo, I wouldn't give up on that brand.
I really like their ammo, very accurate in my Remington 700 .308 and only 7$ per box isntead of 20$.
The ammo brand that has been giving me lots of trouble lately has been Remington. I think their quality control, at least for ammunition, completely went down the drain. I never used to have problems with their ammo, now I have at least 2-3 duds in a box of 20.
I've gone through at least 1 or 2 thousand rounds of Tula without anything happening, and then we got a squib and a hangfire in 1 box, it was just a bad batch, it happens no matter who you are, I'm not gonna give up on them, I just figured I'd mention the brand cuz I knew it would be a question within the first 5 posts lolYea, I just watched these videos and some more. Scary stuff. I'm going to have to ask the rest of my family that shoots if they know about this stuff.
Also, even though it happend with a Tula brand ammo, I wouldn't give up on that brand.
I really like their ammo, very accurate in my Remington 700 .308 and only 7$ per box isntead of 20$.
The ammo brand that has been giving me lots of trouble lately has been Remington. I think their quality control, at least for ammunition, completely went down the drain. I never used to have problems with their ammo, now I have at least 2-3 duds in a box of 20.
Than who ever taught you to shoot didn't do it right.Never heard of a Squib load before, but thanks for the heads up. Might help me save an eye or a hand in the future.
As I said, you will find their purpose.I have never had one during a bump fire but I'm pretty sure (in an AK anyway) that it won't cycle, if the bullet doesn't leave the barrel it won't pass the gas piston hole and cycle the rifle. I can't think of a rifle that would cycle on a squib fire actually, it'll either be a squib (which is where the primer goes off but not the powder) or a hang-fire, which sets off all the powder late (which would make the bullet leave the barrel).
I suppose it could happen if only a few grains of powder went off and somehow not the rest, just enough to push the bullet to the tip of the barrel but not out, although I can't see how that would happen, gun powder is either gonna go off or do nothing.
Yea tap racks have their purpose but even in training I'd be weary of trying them without checking my bore unless I was 100% sure the WHOLE bullet came out and not just the casing.
Of course, a squib load can be a good thing if there are terrorists involved. 
Seriously though, thanks for the report, DB. It may save someone's life or limb. No matter what we've been taught or how long we've been shooting, it never hurts to hear all the safety reminders over and over and over and over and over and ..............................................∞
Hey no problem, I like my hobby and I wanna be able to do it s long as possible, hard to do with missing fingers and eyes lol.
I'm not sure if that terrorist had a squib load or not, it didn't make any funny sound and his rifle cycled, but whatever the reason too bad it didn't kill him. Lol
I'm not sure if that terrorist had a squib load or not, it didn't make any funny sound and his rifle cycled, but whatever the reason too bad it didn't kill him. Lol
I don't think this is necessarily true. They always taught me to hold the rifle down range if a bullet seems to have a FTF. Then, inspect the chamber and barrel afterwards.Than who ever taught you to shoot didn't do it right.
However, I never heard of a squib load before, at least in centerfire rifles. I know that bullets can become lodged in muzzle loaders from improper powder amounts or ignition. So basically, I didn't know the term "squib" load.
Also, I'm not surprised that the various people who taught me over the years never heard of it either. I've been probably through 10,000 rounds in my life time so far and have never had anything like that happen before.
There is a reason why there are videos on youtube, because lots of shooters may have never heard or encountered the problem before and other shooters are trying to educate those who don't know.
You are the first person who is a gun enthusiast I have come across that has never heard of a squib, anybody else on here?, maybe I am sheltered. I remember the squib load lesson back to my very first dealing with a fire arm in the Boy Scouts in the 70's. Squib and pumpkin on a post, two phrases I'll never forget.I don't think this is necessarily true. They always taught me to hold the rifle down range if a bullet seems to have a FTF. Then, inspect the chamber and barrel afterwards.
However, I never heard of a squib load before, at least in centerfire rifles. I know that bullets can become lodged in muzzle loaders from improper powder amounts or ignition. So basically, I didn't know the term "squib" load.
Also, I'm not surprised that the various people who taught me over the years never heard of it either. I've been probably through 10,000 rounds in my life time so far and have never had anything like that happen before.
There is a reason why there are videos on youtube, because lots of shooters may have never heard or encountered the problem before and other shooters are trying to educate those who don't know.
I think its just a question of terminolgy. Some might call it a dud or a misfire. Others just say an undercharged round. The important thing is not what you call it but how you treat it!
They also have budget cuts and this is what happens to the Taliban for buying from Century armsOf course, a squib load can be a good thing if there are terrorists involved.
vs the typical Russian arms supplier.
great thread.
I had a squib load go off in my SKS one Winter day at the range. had THREE nOObs with me. I was fortunate that the squib load was far enough down the barrel (towards the receiver) that the next round would not properly chamber at all. since I had nOObs there, and lots more rifles to shoot, I put it away in the case for the day.
when I got home and inspected, sure enough, there was a bullet in the barrel. there was also a ton of tiny "rabbit poops" in the receiver area, and on the bolt face, etc. that was the un-fired gun powder! it was a good (and lucky) learning experience.
I had a squib load go off in my SKS one Winter day at the range. had THREE nOObs with me. I was fortunate that the squib load was far enough down the barrel (towards the receiver) that the next round would not properly chamber at all. since I had nOObs there, and lots more rifles to shoot, I put it away in the case for the day.
when I got home and inspected, sure enough, there was a bullet in the barrel. there was also a ton of tiny "rabbit poops" in the receiver area, and on the bolt face, etc. that was the un-fired gun powder! it was a good (and lucky) learning experience.
Sounds like it sure was, now you know you can just open up your chamber and use that trusty cleaning rod to knock the bullet out so you don't have to let a rifle sit idle at the rangegreat thread.
I had a squib load go off in my SKS one Winter day at the range. had THREE nOObs with me. I was fortunate that the squib load was far enough down the barrel (towards the receiver) that the next round would not properly chamber at all. since I had nOObs there, and lots more rifles to shoot, I put it away in the case for the day.
when I got home and inspected, sure enough, there was a bullet in the barrel. there was also a ton of tiny "rabbit poops" in the receiver area, and on the bolt face, etc. that was the un-fired gun powder! it was a good (and lucky) learning experience.
i had never heard the term "squib" until this summer when a friend ended up with 5 or 6 rounds of 357 magnum (or .38s) piled up in the barrel of his ruger revolver. He thought he was just missing the target. he got pretty damn lucky. [email protected] though.
Was that steel ammo too like the OP?Yea, I just watched these videos and some more. Scary stuff. I'm going to have to ask the rest of my family that shoots if they know about this stuff.
Also, even though it happend with a Tula brand ammo, I wouldn't give up on that brand.
I really like their ammo, very accurate in my Remington 700 .308 and only 7$ per box isntead of 20$.
The ammo brand that has been giving me lots of trouble lately has been Remington. I think their quality control, at least for ammunition, completely went down the drain. I never used to have problems with their ammo, now I have at least 2-3 duds in a box of 20.
One of the issues with steel ammo is that there is no much tensile strength in the neck. Many of the steel loads are holding the bullet barely by the
crimp. To demonstrate this simply take a few loads and some will allow you to rotate the bullet. This happens very often with .223 rounds.
The same could happen with brass but it is much less likely to happen.
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