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Does anyone know if you can carry concealed at the track? It dosn't mention anything on there website.
 

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if your restrictions allow you to, concealed= concealed
should you be allowed to: yes
if you have hunting, target restrictions: then (by the ruling of your judge) no
does the constitution say you have to right to bear arms?: yes
does new york follow the constitution?: no
 

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if your restrictions allow you to, concealed= concealed
should you be allowed to: yes
if you have hunting, target restrictions: then legally no
does the constitution say you have to right to bear arms?: yes
does new york follow the constitution?: no
What you have posted is completely and verifiably 100% false.

Restrictions have no legal bearing whatsoever, much less on specific places to carry.
 

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I know they check bags and coolers for glass and whatever. I just don't want to walk have to walk back to the car and lock it up. And gvfd107 I know what concealed means LOL.
 

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Well maybe a thread like this will have them install a metal detector. I've never had a problem, probably because I don't advertise.
 

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Well maybe a thread like this will have them install a metal detector. I've never had a problem, probably because I don't advertise.
I don't understand if you don't like the thread delete it. And I don't advertise either. And I highly doubt they will install metal detectors because of this thread.
 

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No prohibition that I'm aware of, but the only double-taps I've ever done there were at the ATM machine.:D
 

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What you have posted is completely and verifiably 100% false.

Restrictions have no legal bearing whatsoever, much less on specific places to carry.
I know that you always say this... and it is technically true. But doesn't this conclusion reside entirely in the realm of philosophical argument rather than practice of enforcement?

Typically, when people ask these questions, they are looking for reassurances that relatively eliminate any possibility of their permits being revoked (which is not a question of legality).

I'm not sure that the correct philosophical answer is as useful ast the correct practical answer.

Not looking to start a fight... just trying to meet the intent of the question.

Afterall... permits are not granted on legality... they are granted on adjudication. The OP doesn't want the adjudication of his permit to be called into question. He probably would prefer not to be detained and or handcuffed either, in the most unlikely of events.
 

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What you have posted is completely and verifiably 100% false.

Restrictions have no legal bearing whatsoever, much less on specific places to carry.
legal in which way because if you are cought violating your restrictions you will have your permit revoked, don't believe me? ask my father who had it happen to him
 

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I know that you always say this... and it is technically true. But doesn't this conclusion reside entirely in the realm of philosophical argument rather than practice of enforcement?

Typically, when people ask these questions, they are looking for reassurances that relatively eliminate any possibility of their permits being revoked (which is not a question of legality).

I'm not sure that the correct philosophical answer is as useful ast the correct practical answer.

Not looking to start a fight... just trying to meet the intent of the question.

Afterall... permits are not granted on legality... they are granted on adjudication. The OP doesn't want the adjudication of his permit to be called into question. He probably would prefer not to be detained and or handcuffed either, in the most unlikely of events.
thank you, I thought I was clear enough for mr. gamer, but apparently I need to delve into specifics a little more for those who cant follow along
 

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No problems getting through security, like I thought they are mostly looking for glass containers. I was there with a buddy of mine from Florida and he won the first race and showed me one of the bills he received from the teller.
Banknote Currency Money Rectangle Cash
 

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legal in which way because if you are cought violating your restrictions you will have your permit revoked, don't believe me? ask my father who had it happen to him
This is NY. Your permit can be revoked at any point for any reason. Concealed is concealed! Your point is invalid.

I'm pretty sure mr.gamer knows the deal.
 

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I know that you always say this... and it is technically true. But doesn't this conclusion reside entirely in the realm of philosophical argument rather than practice of enforcement?

Typically, when people ask these questions, they are looking for reassurances that relatively eliminate any possibility of their permits being revoked (which is not a question of legality).

I'm not sure that the correct philosophical answer is as useful ast the correct practical answer.

Not looking to start a fight... just trying to meet the intent of the question.

Afterall... permits are not granted on legality... they are granted on adjudication. The OP doesn't want the adjudication of his permit to be called into question. He probably would prefer not to be detained and or handcuffed either, in the most unlikely of events.
It resides in legal fact:

It is not illegal to carry outside of restrictions in this state. Period. No psychology or philosophy involved.

And don't get confused, it isn't "I always say this." It's those little, insignificant things like the NYSP website and legal caselaw.

You want a reassurance? Read and learn the law, not people's opinions on it.

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legal in which way because if you are cought violating your restrictions you will have your permit revoked, don't believe me? ask my father who had it happen to him
Correct, I don't believe you.

If that is the case, we have a landmark decision, because in over 4 years I've been on here, that has never ever been the case, despite all the claims and fear tactics.
 

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My story, believe it or not:
I've had my CCP since 1988. It was issued as a restricted permit. Last year I decided to submit an amendment to the judge requesting to have the restriction lifted. The judge currently sitting is Judge Berry. He is not the judge who originally issued my permit. The original judge has since retired. In order to amend the permit I needed to meet with the judge to discuss whatever it is judges want to hear. Anyway, when I approached the bench to talk to Judge Berry the very first thing he said to me was, 'You know you have a full concealed carry permit already. Right?'. I said I was under the impression that the restrictions were only administrative in nature, but I respect those restrictions to mean that I was not permitted to carry outside of those restrictions. He said they can be confusing. He proceeded to lift the restriction and we had a very nice conversation.

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It resides in legal fact:

It is not illegal to carry outside of restrictions in this state. Period. No psychology or philosophy involved.

And don't get confused, it isn't "I always say this." It's those little, insignificant things like the NYSP website and legal caselaw.

You want a reassurance? Read and learn the law, not people's opinions on it.

Correct, I don't believe you.

If that is the case, we have a landmark decision, because in over 4 years I've been on here, that has never ever been the case, despite all the claims and fear tactics.
do what you wish buckweet, I could care less if you believe me or not I just don't wanna see someone get there permit revoked in a state that wouldn't bat an eye over it. you wanna give advice to go against judicially appointed restrictions, go ahead be my guest. I get a feelin your just pickin a 2 year olds fight, why don't you pick your battles and not make an enemy out of someone whos on the same side, I don't know how I could have made my first post any more elementary for you
 

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This is NY. Your permit can be revoked at any point for any reason. Concealed is concealed! Your point is invalid.

I'm pretty sure mr.gamer knows the deal.
you say ny can revoke for any reason, I said they can revoke if you go against your restrictions. that would be a reason to revoke. how is my point invalid?
 

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do what you wish buckweet, I could care less if you believe me or not I just don't wanna see someone get there permit revoked in a state that wouldn't bat an eye over it. you wanna give advice to go against judicially appointed restrictions, go ahead be my guest. I get a feelin your just pickin a 2 year olds fight, why don't you pick your battles and not make an enemy out of someone whos on the same side, I don't know how I could have made my first post any more elementary for you
Now see, wasn't all that drivel much easier than providing any legitimacy to your claim?

Welcome to the club bud. :)
 

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Almost went to the track today. Anybody get any extra glasses?
Having worked there as a peace officer, it was hilarious to see how failed their "1 per customer" nonsense was, when they tried it. When they gave away umbrellas, I saw people walking out with so many they were literally falling out of their open armfulls. And you'd see this all day.We'd have other officers give money to people going in to buy them some, because we weren't allowed to buy them.

Sorry, dollar store items with "Saratoga" printed on them aren't worth the hassle.
 

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Now see, wasn't all that drivel much easier than providing any legitimacy to your claim?

Welcome to the club bud. :)
wherein lies the logic?
I was just looking out for someone, not quite sure why u started this side show attraction
 
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