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This appeared in today's Democrat & Chronicle... http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20130116/NEWS01/301160050/cuomo-gun-control-new-york-faq

I thought it might be helpful to list the Q&A that they provided, since so many of us are struggling to understand exactly what the fck is in this monumental piece of crap.

WARNING: I have simply cut and pasted from the article. I am in no way portraying the following to be accurate or complete.

Here are some answers to frequently-asked questions about the new gun laws:

Q: What types of guns are now banned?
A: The state's bolstered assault-weapons ban took effect as soon as Cuomo signed the bill around 5 p.m. Tuesday. The ban encompasses semiautomatic rifles, shotguns and pistols that contain a certain "military-style feature."
Semiautomatic rifles, shotguns and pistols are now illegal if they have a folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock. They are also banned if they have a pistol grip that extends beneath the action of the weapon, a second grip for the non-trigger hand, a bayonet mount, a grenade launcher or the ability to hold a flash suppressor.
Shotguns are banned if they are semiautomatic and contain a second grip, a fixed magazine that can hold more than seven rounds or the ability to hold a detachable magazine.
Semiautomatic pistols are also prohibited if they have the ability to hold a detachable magazine and have a second grip, the capacity for a magazine attached to the pistol outside of the grip, a threaded barrel for a flash suppressor, a shroud for the non-trigger hand or a weight of 50 ounces or more.
The new law requires the State Police to create a website with specific makes and models of weapons that are not permitted in New York. Any gun that requires a permit will need to be re-licensed every five years.

Q: What happens with assault weapons that are now banned?
A: Any semiautomatic guns that are now banned but were legal before Tuesday are grandfathered in.
Those guns, however, must be registered with State Police within one year. Any grandfathered guns can be sold out of state, but cannot be sold or transferred within New York.
If a gun owner knowingly does not register with the state within a year, that person faces a misdemeanor charge. If they unknowingly do not register, they face a warning from local police and would then have 30 days to register or surrender their weapon.

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Which magazines are now outlawed?
A: After the bill was signed, New Yorkers were no longer allowed to purchase a magazine with a capacity of more than seven rounds. New York's previous capacity limit was 10 rounds, though magazines manufactured before 1994 were not subject to the ban.
That changed on Tuesday. Those who own pre-1994 magazines that hold more than 10 rounds now have one year to either sell them out of state or surrender them to authorities.
Magazines purchased before Tuesday that can hold eight, nine or 10 bullets remain legal, but they become illegal if more than seven rounds are loaded in them at any one time.
The penalties for possessing an outlawed magazine vary. If someone possesses a pre-1994 high-capacity magazine after one year, they could be hit with a misdemeanor.
For a grandfathered-in magazine, the penalty for loading it with more than seven rounds in the owner's home is a $200 fine for a first violation and a misdemeanor for a second violation. If it's outside of the owner's home, the penalty is a misdemeanor.

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Is pistol permit information still public?
A: The new gun laws contain an "opt-out" clause for current and future handgun-permit holders that would allow them to keep their personal information from being released through requests for public records.
For the next 120 days, the law prohibits the disclosure of any personal information on a person's handgun permit or application. Within 30 days, State Police have to come up with a form that would allow a permit holder to request that their information be kept private.
Current permit holders would then have 60 days to fill out the form, while future applicants would have the option of filling it out. County officials would decide if the exemption is valid.
The bill would allow permit holders or applicants to request a privacy exemption for specific reasons, such as being an active or retired police officer, having an order of protection, having been a witness in a criminal proceeding or having been a juror or on a grand jury.
It includes broad language for others seeking an exemption, such as if the applicant "has reason to believe his or her life or safety may be endangered by disclosure" or "may be subject to unwarranted harassment."

Q:
Are private gun sales still allowed?
A: The private sale of firearms - meaning any gun sold from an individual to an individual, rather than at a store -- remains legal. But for the first time, buyers in those sales must go through a background check.
In order to purchase a gun privately, the buyer must go to a registered gun dealer and have his or her name put through the National Instant Check System. The gun dealer can charge up to $10 to perform the check.
If the buyer is approved, the gun dealer must provide him or her with a form certifying the results. The buyer then has to present the form to the person selling the gun.
The background check requirement for private sales will take effect in 60 days, according to the new law.

Q:
What happens when I buy ammunition?
A: Under the new state gun laws, sellers will soon have to check with a yet-to-be-created state database before selling ammunition to an individual.
State Police have one year to create a statewide database of gun permit holders and records. Those records would then be checked against state criminal and mental-health records to ensure the permit holders remain in good standing and can legally keep a firearm.
Within 30 days after it is completed, all ammunition sales will have to be run through the database before the sale can be final.

Q: What happens with assault weapons that are now banned?
A: Any semiautomatic guns that are now banned but were legal before Tuesday are grandfathered in.
Those guns, however, must be registered with State Police within one year. Any grandfathered guns can be sold out of state, but cannot be sold or transferred within New York.
If a gun owner knowingly does not register with the state within a year, that person faces a misdemeanor charge. If they unknowingly do not register, they face a warning from local police and would then have 30 days to register or surrender their weapon.

Q:
Which magazines are now outlawed?
A: After the bill was signed, New Yorkers were no longer allowed to purchase a magazine with a capacity of more than seven rounds. New York's previous capacity limit was 10 rounds, though magazines manufactured before 1994 were not subject to the ban.
That changed on Tuesday. Those who own pre-1994 magazines that hold more than 10 rounds now have one year to either sell them out of state or surrender them to authorities.
Magazines purchased before Tuesday that can hold eight, nine or 10 bullets remain legal, but they become illegal if more than seven rounds are loaded in them at any one time.
The penalties for possessing an outlawed magazine vary. If someone possesses a pre-1994 high-capacity magazine after one year, they could be hit with a misdemeanor.
For a grandfathered-in magazine, the penalty for loading it with more than seven rounds in the owner's home is a $200 fine for a first violation and a misdemeanor for a second violation. If it's outside of the owner's home, the penalty is a misdemeanor.

Q:
Is pistol permit information still public?
A: The new gun laws contain an "opt-out" clause for current and future handgun-permit holders that would allow them to keep their personal information from being released through requests for public records.
For the next 120 days, the law prohibits the disclosure of any personal information on a person's handgun permit or application. Within 30 days, State Police have to come up with a form that would allow a permit holder to request that their information be kept private.
Current permit holders would then have 60 days to fill out the form, while future applicants would have the option of filling it out. County officials would decide if the exemption is valid.
The bill would allow permit holders or applicants to request a privacy exemption for specific reasons, such as being an active or retired police officer, having an order of protection, having been a witness in a criminal proceeding or having been a juror or on a grand jury.
It includes broad language for others seeking an exemption, such as if the applicant "has reason to believe his or her life or safety may be endangered by disclosure" or "may be subject to unwarranted harassment."

Q:
Are private gun sales still allowed?
A: The private sale of firearms - meaning any gun sold from an individual to an individual, rather than at a store -- remains legal. But for the first time, buyers in those sales must go through a background check.
In order to purchase a gun privately, the buyer must go to a registered gun dealer and have his or her name put through the National Instant Check System. The gun dealer can charge up to $10 to perform the check.
If the buyer is approved, the gun dealer must provide him or her with a form certifying the results. The buyer then has to present the form to the person selling the gun.
The background check requirement for private sales will take effect in 60 days, according to the new law.

Q:
What happens when I buy ammunition?
A: Under the new state gun laws, sellers will soon have to check with a yet-to-be-created state database before selling ammunition to an individual.
State Police have one year to create a statewide database of gun permit holders and records. Those records would then be checked against state criminal and mental-health records to ensure the permit holders remain in good standing and can legally keep a firearm.
Within 30 days after it is completed, all ammunition sales will have to be run through the database before the sale can be final.
 

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Good grief, this incorrect info just keeps getting repeated over and over by news outlets.


"A: After the bill was signed, New Yorkers were no longer allowed to purchase a magazine with a capacity of more than seven rounds. New York’s previous capacity limit was 10 rounds, though magazines manufactured before 1994 were not subject to the ban.
That changed on Tuesday. Those who own pre-1994 magazines that hold more than 10 rounds now have one year to either sell them out of state or surrender them to authorities.
Magazines purchased before Tuesday that can hold eight, nine or 10 bullets remain legal, but they become illegal if more than seven rounds are loaded in them at any one time.
The penalties for possessing an outlawed magazine vary. If someone possesses a pre-1994 high-capacity magazine after one year, they could be hit with a misdemeanor.
For a grandfathered-in magazine, the penalty for loading it with more than seven rounds in the owner’s home is a $200 fine for a first violation and a misdemeanor for a second violation. If it’s outside of the owner’s home, the penalty is a misdemeanor."


The bill signed into law states that Section 38 (which deals with ammunition feeding devices) has an effective date of 90 days from the effective date of the law, except for paragraph (A) which has an effective date of the day the bill was signed into law.
 

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"Semiautomatic pistols are also prohibited if they have the ability to hold a detachable magazine and have a second grip, the capacity for a magazine attached to the pistol outside of the grip, a threaded barrel for a flash suppressor, a shroud for the non-trigger hand or a weight of 50 ounces or more."

Does this mean the Ruger 22/45 Lite is now an assault weapon because of the threaded barrel? If so, if you already own one and have it on your permit, does that qualify as already being "registered"?

WTF, my brain hurts!!
 

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One of the biggest misunderstandings is that you have 60 days to sell any firearm privately. This only applies to those guns NOT now defined as assault weapons. Assault weapons, all semi automatic AR and AKs, may now NOT be sold except to out of state or to gun dealers.
 

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i was wondering the same thing Terry. i believe this entire bill was written to cunfuse us in to submission...
I have been accused of being confused on occassion, but NEVER submissive!

This whole thing is a fcking joke! Greased and launched just to make a political grandstand before the head monarch could parade around on stage with poor little kids. It was obvious, after watching that circus of the live Assembly hearing that they don't have a fcking clue as to half of the $hit that is piled in here, let alone how they plan to administer or enforce it.

I was in four lgs yesterday and those poor folks are being bombarded by customers, both in person and on the phone, who are starving for answers and directions.

I can tell you that the ATF had just left one of them, after completing a routine audit, and he had nothing good to say about our "fine folks" in Albany. THe F bombs were flowing freely. I found that rather interesting.

BTW, if anybody gets any onfo on pork that was piled onto this bill, let me know. I intend on finding that out and making it public.
 

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So let me get this straight, this only applies to semi autos, right? What about pump shotguns? Are they still free game to gussy up?
Nope, they expanded the criteria on shotty's too.

Here is the list posted so far by NYSP...

SHOTGUNS:
  • Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12
  • Striker 12
  • The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12
  • Saiga semi-automatic shotgun
  • HIGH STANDARD MODEL 10 SERIES B POLICE SHOTGUN 12GA
  • FN Herstal SLP MK1 TACT
  • Benelli M-2 Tactical
  • CHARLES DALY Tactical
  • Remington 81059 Versa Max Tactical
  • Remington Model 81404 Tactical
  • SRM Tactical Semi-Auto Shotgun
  • RAAC MKA1919 SEMI AUTO
  • Remington Model 1100 TACTICAL
New York State SAFE Act
 

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That information on that page still confuses me. Being kind of new to all this but why wouldnt the Ruger 10/22 and any Glock be listed with the understanding that they would be the most popular
 

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Ruger 10/22 without a pistol grip is legal. 10rd mag must only have 7. 5rd mag is good to go.

pump shotguns are exempt by the text of the law, this list is wrong. Please stop posting it. This will take months to become accurate.

there is only 1 pump shotgun on there (rem 81404). It's not capable of holding 8+ rounds, nor is it semi.

Lever, slide, bolt, and pump guns are exempt, except revolver shotguns or guns with tube mags of 8 or more.

dont assume the cops that couldn't understand the last ban law suddenly understand this one.
 

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Ruger 10/22 without a pistol grip is legal. 10rd mag must only have 7. 5rd mag is good to go.

pump shotguns are exempt by the text of the law, this list is wrong. Please stop posting it. This will take months to become accurate.

there is only 1 pump shotgun on there (rem 81404). It's not capable of holding 8+ rounds, nor is it semi.

Lever, slide, bolt, and pump guns are exempt, except revolver shotguns or guns with tube mags of 8 or more.

dont assume the cops that couldn't understand the last ban law suddenly understand this one.
So I take my Winchester 1300 Defender and take out the 8 each 2 3/4" shells and load 3" shells which now means the gun only holds 7 and I am legal again. How about that!
 

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Thats why I asked if glocks should have been placed on this list. The way I read it they can not be bought or sold in this state regardless of how many bullets are in the clip
Why would a Glock be banned? Handguns can't have threaded barrels, forward grips, mags protruding below the magwell, or barrel shrouds/flash hiders. Glocks have none of those things.

Confused.

ruger 10/22's have no forward grips, no flash hiders, no thumbhole stock or pistol grip (at least their basic version doesnt), no threaded barrels....
 

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That information on that page still confuses me. Being kind of new to all this but why wouldnt the Ruger 10/22 and any Glock be listed with the understanding that they would be the most popular
Glocks are legal, if you buy them without a mag, with a 10rd mag that's permanently altered to 7 rds, or if 7 rd mags are created in the future. Same about 10/22's, except for those with "tactical" furniture.
 

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The only questions I haven't seen answered is "how much" for ammunition.

How much time will it take to do the background check against the as-yet uncreated state database?

How much money will it take us taxpayers to run the database?

How much ammunition triggers a call to the state police?

How much trouble will I get in when I purchase tons of ammo out of state and bring it home?
 

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The only questions I haven't seen answered is "how much" for ammunition.

How much time will it take to do the background check against the as-yet uncreated state database?

How much money will it take us taxpayers to run the database?

How much ammunition triggers a call to the state police?

How much trouble will I get in when I purchase tons of ammo out of state and bring it home?
Doesnt matter right now, ammo law doesnt kick in until 1/15/14.

$10 for FTF 4473 is in the law, i would assume ammo would be the same, but it's probly up to the LGS.

Lots of money to run, to no benefit.

No idea how they are going to track (round count or dollar count)

None, if you can get someone out of state to sell to you, and assuming they have any to sell.
 

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Nope, they expanded the criteria on shotty's too.

Here is the list posted so far by NYSP...

SHOTGUNS:
  • Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12
  • Striker 12
  • The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12
  • Saiga semi-automatic shotgun
  • HIGH STANDARD MODEL 10 SERIES B POLICE SHOTGUN 12GA
  • FN Herstal SLP MK1 TACT
  • Benelli M-2 Tactical
  • CHARLES DALY Tactical
  • Remington 81059 Versa Max Tactical
  • Remington Model 81404 Tactical
  • SRM Tactical Semi-Auto Shotgun
  • RAAC MKA1919 SEMI AUTO
  • Remington Model 1100 TACTICAL
New York State SAFE Act
dont jump so soon, the law as written does not define pump action guns as assault weapons.

additionally, any pistols you own that are on your permit dont have to be registered as they already are.
 
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