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Curious since there is no State Law that prohibits the open Carry of long Guns? Why hasn't a long gun open carry demonstration not yet happened in NY?

Why one may ask, Because there is one Law they can use to lock you up at will FOR ANYTHING! Based on nothing more then interpretation AKA an officers opinion or the opinion of your neighbor.

New York Penal - Article 240 - § 240.20 Disorderly Conduct


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Penal § 240.20 Disorderly conduct. A person is guilty of disorderly conduct when, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof: 1. He engages in fighting or in violent, tumultuous or threatening behavior; or 2. He makes unreasonable noise; or 3. In a public place, he uses abusive or obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or 4. Without lawful authority, he disturbs any lawful assembly or meeting of persons; or 5. He obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic; or 6. He congregates with other persons in a public place and refuses to comply with a lawful order of the police to disperse; or 7. He creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose. Disorderly conduct is a violation.
 

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Not only would it get you arrested, but would also make gun owners out to be the "gun toting nuts" the media tries to portray us as. Do not make yourself fit any stereotype. Period.
 

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Even if there is clearly something that isn't written into law, all they need to do is charge you with something or even totally irrelevant and call it a day. Like you stated, "officers interpretation". You never have the freedoms that you think you should have here in NY.
 

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Two stories. Both happened before I owned a car.
I bought a crossbow from a friend. A real cheap pos. Every couple of shots the scope would start walking off zero. I decided to take it to my brother to see if he could fix it. I don't know how, but he seems to be able to fix things he has no knowledge of. I didn't have a crossbow case and couldn't find anything about not being allowed to carry a crossbow openly so away I went. I must have seen the muzzle of about every local cops weapons. I talked...a lot. Not sure it hurt me, but not sure it helped either. I got cuffed and stuffed. I was handcuffed to a bench for about 7-ish hours (no call no show at work that was fun). long story short I was charged with disorderly conduct, work placed me on an unpaid leave till it got sorted out, took about 4 court dates over 5-6 weeks(asked them to provide me a lawyer since I'm broke, brought in documents to prove I'm broke, got assigned a lawyer, got plea bargain). It got ACD'd, which means that if I didn't do anything wrong in the next 6 months it "dissappears," not that I really believe that.
That was with an uncased broken crossbow.

second story. I decided to go squirrel hunting up on state land. it was about a 45 minute walk from my house up a highway. my rifle was cased and over my shoulder, wearing full camo and my hunting back tag on the rifle case visible to all. I had cops stop me both going out and coming back. Kind of silly that they had to deal with me, but it wasn't as bad as the first story. The first pair of cops(local), after one approached me and talked to me while the other was behind the open car door hand on pistol, but still holstered, figured I was just headed hunting gave me a ride out so they wouldn't get any more calls about me. on the way back I got stopped by a state trooper, he didn't even get out of his car. just pulled up along side me rolled down his window and said, "Hey, I can see everything is on the up and up, but I got a call, so I just need a name so I can write that I spoke to you and we can both be on our ways."
 

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All I can add is a reminder about California, where unloaded open carry used to be legal.
It no longer is, because of the smart guys who decided to exercise their right to do it in conspicuous ways.
Here in NY the sheeple are easily frightened, so we gotta watch our step.
Also I better take care when I carry my new crossbow out to the car ! I don't own a carry case for it, and the neighbors are retired busybodies.
 

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All I can add is a reminder about California, where unloaded open carry used to be legal.
It no longer is, because of the smart guys who decided to exercise their right to do it in conspicuous ways.
Here in NY the sheeple are easily frightened, so we gotta watch our step.
Also I better take care when I carry my new crossbow out to the car ! I don't own a carry case for it, and the neighbors are retired busybodies.
If you can't exercise a right for fear that someone might take it away, do you really have it ?
 

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I used to carry my rifles during deer season in my rear window gun rack in my truck when hunting in ulster county years ago...even going for lunch in new paltz, no longer....those were differnt times before the libtards and others destroyed this state. Now i would be stopped by the first cop that saw "gun". This is just plain wrong on just about every level, i have to go so fas as to hide anything orange so i am not a target for them.
 

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I grew up in Penfield near the intersection of 250/441. There used to be what looked like abandoned farmland along rt 250, every evening I would hear shotguns and anything else people would be doing over there. That whole area is now filled in with new houses. Times have rally changed.
 

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Open carry of long guns in demonstrations accomplishes three main objectives:

1. It frightens people.

2. It opens them up to the idea that more gun regulation is needed.

3. It gives confiscationist groups photographic ammunition and material to keep themselves in the public eye, while waiting for the next tragedy to exploit.

It's very effective, at least if you work for the other side. I think probably half of these idiots walking around with an AR-15 while grocery shopping collect a Bloomberg signed check in the parking lot. I refuse to believe that anyone who truly values the constitution that protects him is that ****ing stupid.
 

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Wow, I really feel bad for you guys living in areas like this and deal with that crap. I was on my way to work one morning, gun in my truck to hunt with a friend after work, truck broke down on the way. Had to walk about 4 miles and had my shotgun over my shoulder holding the barrel, wasn't gonna leave it in my truck to get stolen. Two Broome Co Sheriffs passed me but slowed some to take, I waved being friendly and they waved back. No issues.
Another time I stopped the Express Mart in town to get some coffee on the way to a different hunt, S&W 686 on my belt and Encore pistol in a shoulder rig. A state trooper walked up next to me also getting coffee. He looked at them both, mumbled "damn" with a smile, and we both left. There have been several other times where I ran across LEOs and ENCON officers and every time they have been great. Granted, I wouldn't open carry if it weren't hunting season, but when I have I never had any problems. I probably take for granted I live in a very gun friendly area and very friendly LEOs.
 

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My prior house I owned had a sand pit across the road so i used it as a gun range . While shooting into the walls of the pit ( walls were 40 feet high ) I was reloading and noticed a NYSP car coming down the drive into the pit ( he had to get out and open the gate on the road ) he drove down asked my name and if I owned the land . The conversation went rather well because I kinda cooperated with him ( he admitted that since he opened the gate there really wasn't much he could as it was private land ) he said that the local hotel owner had complained that there was gunfire coming from the pit and was upsetting the customers . I said welcome to the country ! He smiled and left . Later I saw him as I was purchasing beer for consumption while mowing the lawn , he said that he told the hotel owner not to call again as this was very normal in the country ( it seems the owner was from NYC and was " shaking in her boots " over the gunfire . In the end I became pretty good friends with the owner and taught her how to shoot . She need up buying quite a few pistols but like i said for awhile it got interesting so say the least !
 

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while i agree that its about time and place and living in NY we dont want to give the anti's any more fuel for their fire.... but.....

i wish there would be an open carry demonstration, and i hope there is one if we dont get scrotus relief. not for nothing, but how much worse could it get... we are basically as bad as it can be, and if anyone would just sit back and let them get away with more then im afraid we have already lost. the only reason the safe act got through (besides that scumbag in office abusing his authority) is because gun owners have not been united, and they have been asleep.

more gun owners are awake now than they have been in many, many years... more gun owners are organized (and still not organized enough imo) than they have been in many, many years.

imagine if the rallys in albany took place with everyone carrying a rifle? imagine if everyone refused to leave until the safe act was repealed? that would mean people camping out on the lawn at the capitol. perhaps some people would be arrested, but they cant arrest 5000-10,000 people. so then they call the national guard, etc... imagine the outcry that would happen. i bet there would be people coming from out of state to help defend what the people would be standing up for just like at the Bundy ranch.

it could very well force the change that is needed.

now, im not advocating any violence, or any illegal behavior by any means... Im just stating a hypothetical situation and possible outcomes.
 

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In the 50's, I know of at least two people who would take their shotguns to school during season,place in their locker and hunt after school was out.
I know of a "social" place that allowed guns,dead game and dogs in while the social chemist served liquid refreshments.

ALL of that has stopped through the years....just lately a complaint about the dogs...friggin liberal yuppies POS's
 

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In the 50's, I know of at least two people who would take their shotguns to school during season,place in their locker and hunt after school was out.
I know of a "social" place that allowed guns,dead game and dogs in while the social chemist served liquid refreshments.

ALL of that has stopped through the years....just lately a complaint about the dogs...friggin liberal yuppies POS's
I did it in the 80's, it was no big deal. I was captain of the high school rifle team and president of the rifle club back then too. It was an age where we still used the common sense rule and you owned up toy your actions, took responsibility for yourself and all that you did. Now we blame the parents, teachers and everything else except our little darlings......
 

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Open Carry of long guns in this state...one can dream.
Seriously I get nervous transporting them in cases from my house to my truck parked in my driveway. My neighbors are quite...inquisitive?
Friendly is fine and one thing. They seem to know all or at least more than they should about other neighbors.
 

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Not only would it get you arrested, but would also make gun owners out to be the "gun toting nuts" the media tries to portray us as. Do not make yourself fit any stereotype. Period.
Because the media currently portrays gun owners in such a positive light?

At a certain point gun owners will decide we have more to gain than lose with an open carry demonstration. Let's hope it's not too late at that point.

It's interesting how some groups are intimidated by how the media portrays them, and other groups just own it and say "yeah we're crazy, better not mess with us." We've been trying to fight the media portrayal of gun owners for decades and nothing seems to work. All that ends up happening is gun owners end up obeying the wishes anti-gunners.
 

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Because the media currently portrays gun owners in such a positive light?

At a certain point gun owners will decide we have more to gain than lose with an open carry demonstration.
What do you think gun owners would gain from open carry demonstrations other than a lot more people voting against us for scaring the crap out of them?
 

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Ive walked many a mile on roads carrying rifles.from wood chuck hunting to deer hunting to coyote hunting.Walking roads from field to field or to woods and have never been stopped by any one.Its very common to see in this county.Now would i walk down main street Oneonta or any other big town or city,no,but down my county road or dirt road,yes.Ive had county sheriffs pass me as well as DEC with no issues.DEC has asked to see licence before but thats all.
 
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