[badbowtie]

if i were to install a bullet button mag release like calif uses with a 10 round magazine so i would now not have a detachable magazine and not more than 10 rounds, would this now allow me to have a non pinned muzzle device? i would still retain the A2 rifle stock and pistol grip but now my evil features would be pistol grip and muzzle device..............thanks for any input.

 

[RayKnobs]

NY has never made a determination on bullet buttons. Can't do it

 

[Tifosi]

NY doesn't recognize the CA bullet button in any way.

 

[Tifosi]

Law is 'two or more' evil features.
A pistol grip and flash supressor is one plus one equalling two evil features.

 

[cgrutt]

Law is 'two or more' evil features.
A pistol grip and flash supressor is one plus one equalling two evil features.

I don't have the legalese but don't you also need to count the detachable mag outside of pistol grip as an evil feature so in your example that would be three and no good? Isn't that the OP's point?

 

[Tifosi]

Mag outside the pistol grip is a handgun thing.

If you could make a 10rd mag absolutely permanant it might fly, but there will be some dickweed prosecutor out there who will play the once an ar always an ar game until a manufacturer comes out with it as part of the receiver forging and markets it that way.
(ain't gonna happen for a tiny niche market like us, or it would have been out there 20 years ago)

To the best of my knowledge there's never been a definition on how to permanantly affix a mag into a receiver (I vaguely recall that epoxy wouldn't do it) and even if so, I'd MUCH rather have detachable mags over a changeable muzzle device any day of the week.

 

[cgrutt]

Now I'm really confused, lol. So why do I need to get my collapsable stock pinned AND my compensator pinned and welded? What am I missing?

 

[usmcveteran]

22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher; or (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm; or (d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known as: (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; (vii) Steyr AUG; (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;

Edit:took out shotgun and pistol part

 

[usmcveteran]

Basically if it has a detachable magazine and is semi automatic it can only have 1 other evil feature unless its preban.

 

[Tifosi]

^^ that ^^

 

[rustyboltz]

I think if you make the mag fixed you could have all the evil features.

 

[Wildman1024]

Bullet buttons are not recgonized by NYS. The mags are still detachable though even with the button. Your mag would have to be permanently welded in place to the receiver never being able to be removed again to work.