STole this off of facebook,, made me laugh
I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. Found this on another forum. Interview with John Noveske.It is like Beretta, you pay for the fancy hats and the advertisement. LOL!
They are really pac-nor barrels with 3P rifling so if you have someone that can cut one for you order a pac-nor blank
and then get your own 'noveske' w/o the branding overhead.
Great post. Facts are always nice to see around here.I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. Found this on another forum. Interview with John Noveske.
"Our stainless barrels are made partially in ourshop and partially in Pac-Nor's shop. And, the relationship that I have with Pac-Nor…I used to work there, and now what's goin' on is I buy steel, I take it to Pac-Nor, when the guys clock out of Pac-Nor, they clock into our barrel production. They machine my blanks with our tooling, which is all made to our design, including the drills, reamers, button, so forth, so on. They stress-relieve to our recipe, and then they give the barrels back to us, and then we finish them all in our shop.
Let me back up. You can't call the barrel that we make a Pac-Nor barrel, because if you call Pac-Nor and order a stainless barrel, it's gonna' be much different. It's gonna' be different in every way from the barrel I sell. So when you say "what kind of materal do they use?", last time I checked, Pac-Nor uses 416 project 70 made by Carpenter, and I use a different material which is technically considered 416R, and it's a lot harder than any stainless we've ever tested from other manufacturers. Our stainless comes in around 32 on the Rockwell C scale, and that's harder even than the call-out for the M16 barrel.
But, what separates my product from the rest of the products out there, is…the obvious thing's the barrel, and, from start to finish, the barrel goes through more inspection and testing than any other barrel out there that I'm aware of. From the point we pull the steel of the trailer in 12-foot bars, we instantly hardness test and serialize each bar. Then, every bar throughout the entire production process is numbered accordingly to its parent bar. And then, like I said, we designed all the tooling so the diameters on the drills, the bore reamers, the hand-lapping process, the button that does the button-rifling is our design, and it's an improvement over conventional polygonal [rifling] in that you get an extended barrel life over conventional polygonal [rifling]. In fact, I've never heard of one of our new barrels shooting out. In a year and two months, there's never been a report of one of my new buttons…the new types of rifling types [barrels] shooting out. "
And then, when we go to chambering, it's a chambering process that I developed as an employee of Pac-Nor, and I looked at how they were chambering barrels, and I saw the logic in it, and I found ways to improve it. The reamers are all custom-made for me as far as the grind, the angles, the number of flutes. The way we chamber, you never get any scoring on the lands forward of the throat like most other people have to deal with, because our chips are forced out the back. The end result is a beautiful, highly polished chamber. Every barrel is individually inspected to ensure against or prevent reamer wear and have an undersized chamber. They all get gauged on every point, and the design of the chamber is a design I developed after many different evolutions. This was designed to work…to do full-auto mag dumps with [Black Hills] MK 262 Mod 1 [77gr Open-Tip Match (OTM) 5.56x45mm ammo], and now you can sit there and pour as much ammo as you can through the gun on full-auto, and the thing that's gonna' fail is the gas tube. We haven't had any stuck chambers since I came up with the recent chamber, which is called the Noveske…the acronym, which we write on the barrel is "NMm0", and that stands for Noveske Match Mod 0. It's a chamber that gives you 100% reliability with as much retained accuracy as possible. You can have a more accurate chamber design, but you sacrifice battle-grade reliability. You can get stuck cases and other things with different chambers.
So, from the chamber, our barrel is hardness-tested again, just to make sure we didn't lose any hardness in the heat-treating process, and every barrel is serial-numbered at that point. So, now, all the information about the barrel, the heat-treat lot, the packing slip number, the bar number, all that information is now attached to the barrel with a 6-digit serial number, and it goes through the rest of the process with all the information attached to it by that number. And, we keep a log book with every end-user and every bit of information, just in case there was a problem with one customer's barrel, we can track down all the related barrels and pull 'em in in an efficient manner. And we've never had to do that, but I can if I need to. "
I have another build on the way and an upgrade on an existing rifle--being friends with this Bpipe guy is expensive! Post up some pics when she is all built!I actually just ordered one (16" recon profile in 5.56) and found that article while I was researching them. Nice build on the way...
Wasn't trying to prove anybody wrong just offering an article I found interesting and thought others might too. As far as Meketrefe is concerned, I've learned more from him about the AR platform than any other member. Not sure why a personal attack on another member was necessary? I see nothing wrong with anything he posted and actually learned some more stuff about the platform that I didn't know before. Isn't that what this forum is all about anyway?Here's 2 facts:
Noveske makes fantastic barrels--I should know, I ran a 14.5 Afghan.
Meketrefe still types BS around here, when he gets proved wrong, he tries to type more BS to cover up the original BS.
I know, it is crazy isn't it?I posted a funny pic, didn't expect it to be this educational
cgrutt,Wasn't trying to prove anybody wrong just offering an article I found interesting and thought others might too. As far as Meketrefe is concerned, I've learned more from him about the AR platform than any other member. Not sure why a personal attack on another member was necessary? I see nothing wrong with anything he posted and actually learned some more stuff about the platform that I didn't know before. Isn't that what this forum is all about anyway?
with the bolt + gas block? Wow.. that is a decent deal.Very interesting. I actually don't think the Noveske barrel was that much more than any other barrel, lol. I think it was $525 BUT that includes the gas block, that is pinned to the barrel, the gas tube and a bolt that is head spaced by Noveske to match the barrel. Apples to apples it would priced in the mid $300s for the barrel alone. Most other SS barrels I've seen are at least in the mid to high $200s, so were talking about $100 or so. I know percentage wise, its a huge difference, but still can't take your kid to a ball game and grab a couple of hot dogs for that today. Besides, its already ordered and on the Fed Ex truck. Supposed to be at my door step along with some other parts on Christmas Eve, lol.
This one. Must have got the last one, lol. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/38...16-stainless-steel-with-low-profile-gas-blockwith the bolt + gas block? Wow.. that is a good deal.
Lothar Walther custom shop was $450 for LW50 with the porting between mid and rifle length (Custom cut) but
w/o gas block. Add gas block and will be about the same.