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Upon coming into my 3-11pm shift, I was informed the several employees from one of our sister plants where fired for possession of firearms in their vehicles. They where stop at the gate after finishing there shift , and searched. When the security found they did have firearms, they instantly lost their jobs. Can this be allowed? I can understand not allowing firearms in the building, but to keep them in your vehicle should be your right.
I work for Republic Steel which is located in one of the crappiest parts of Buffalo, NY. I drive an hour to and from there everyday. I feel safer knowing I have something to back me up if need be. Now knowing that I could be fired for possession of a firearm, knife, or even ammuntion really chaps my a$$! 80% of the time I work in this place by myself with only a radio for my safety. Many times random people have walked into our buildings with out any of our ninja security personal even knowing. Out of all the places to ban firearms, this is the last place I would have thought would be doing it. For God's sake, we sell TONS of steel to Smith & Wesson, Remington, and even other firearm companies I can't mention. Can this be allowed? Last I knew, only government building where off limits.

If there are errors in the post, I'm on my stupid iPhone and just plain pi$$ed off.
 

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NY is an at will employment state so they don't even need a reason to fire someone.

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Now if you have some sort of employment contract outlining reasons for termination then that may change things especially if there is no written policy against firearms.
 

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Even if these workers are under contract? They are Union, United Steelworkers.
 

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I don't know. Sounds like they need to speak to the union lawyers.
 

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New York is an "at will" employment state. They can fire you for any reason (or no reason at all) and at any time - so long as it doesn't violate any anti-discrimination laws, NY's "off duty conduct" labor law, or the provisions of a union contract. If company policy is no guns on company property, AND it was in the employee handbook that they signed and/or clearly posted that their vehicles were subject to search upon entering company property* - then they were likely fired for violating company rules...

* - I'm not sure of the legalities of the company's rent-a-cops searching vehicles though... they should contact a lawyer.
 

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2A is not your right on any private property if the owner objects, My job is the same and we are made aware of it when hired!!
 

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Most companies have policies that prohibit possession of firearms and other types of weapons while on company property. That would include the parking lots as well as the buildings. Some companies even prohibit you from possessing a firearm if you're on just a business trip. Even if you are not on company property, you're still performing as an employee. I know where I work all that stuff is explicitly detailed in the employee handbook.

The company has the right to do that. As far as I know, there are no laws in NY to protect the gun owner.

Some companies are going so far as to require employees to be non-smokers or non-drinkers to lower medical costs. If they smoke or drink alcohol, it's out the door. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before that one is challenged.
 

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I think a Florida supreme court was working on this issue, that wouldn't directly effect us but i should check and see how it worked out for them.
 

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Wow, learn something new everyday. Just sad. Normally I would boycott a place that refused people there rights but wth. Just not right. It's like a cigarette filter company banning smoking, just stupid.
 

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I work in a UAW union shop. Our company has a written no weapons clause in the initial hiring packet. Want a job, you don't have to like the rule but you do have to obey it.
 

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I work in a UAW union shop. Our company has a written no weapons clause in the initial hiring packet. Want a job, you don't have to like the rule but you do have to obey it.
Sadly that's how it is. I would of never allowed a search of my vehicle. IF they did it any way, thats a whole different ball game. And the open themselves up to legal and civil problems.
 

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No way in hell I'm giving some rent-a-cop permission to search my car. It's my private vehicle. They are going to have to contact the real police if they want to search it.
 

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I'm a member of the United Steelworkers and will be looking into this to see if I can find out what being done about it. We have a "no firearms" clause as well, but I'm not sure it covers the parking lot. I will be looking into that also.
 

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New York is an "at will" employment state. They can fire you for any reason (or no reason at all) and at any time - so long as it doesn't violate any anti-discrimination laws, NY's "off duty conduct" labor law, or the provisions of a union contract. If company policy is no guns on company property, AND it was in the employee handbook that they signed and/or clearly posted that their vehicles were subject to search upon entering company property* - then they were likely fired for violating company rules...

* - I'm not sure of the legalities of the company's rent-a-cops searching vehicles though... they should contact a lawyer.
Which means if your white your screwed because you have no discrimination argument!
 

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I work in a UAW union shop. Our company has a written no weapons clause in the initial hiring packet. Want a job, you don't have to like the rule but you do have to obey it.
Completely understandable. I never knew companies could prohibit firearm in personal vehicles. I always thought that it was just for the entering of the buildings. Such as a local business that had signs "gun free zone". There is nothing in my handbook or union contract that states firearms are prohibited that I have for myself. There's may differ, but as far as security searching vehicles, states that they may look in a vehicles without touching anything then report back to the company with there findings or if company property/ drugs where in view, they where to call Leo so they could be stopped. I'm not sure if each plant as the same policy. I always "assumed" (not the best thing to do) that it was up to federal or state to regulate where firearms where prohibited and a person's vehicle was their safe place to store their firearm while working.
And as far as the "rent a cop" deal, those guys make a whopping $10 an hour. Give them some credit, they are only doing what they where hired to do. Nothing better than getting a bunch of crap from people who don't respect them cause their not Leo. I know some do a great job, some who watch porn all day, and some who think they are Dirty Harry/ American Ninjas. But like what some of the other posts stated, if it was in the handbook, then they have nobody to blame but themselves. You would think that a company who's main buyers are firearms companies, wouldn't have such a clause to fire an employee for a gun that they have a permit for or a bullet sitting on the front seat.
 

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For me it's even worse, no firearms on company property, and I drive my take-home company vehicle most of the time off-duty (we're permitted to do so - as long as it's not abused), but we're not allowed to have firearms in the vehicle either. And given the field-service nature of my job - I am in and out of a variety of customer's premises all day long - including places where guns are banned by law - such as schools and government buildings. So carrying concealed for me at work is a definite no-no. I'm not aware of any co-workers who do - but I abide by a "don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to CCW.

From our employee manual:

The following list is not all‑inclusive but, rather, is intended to illustrate types of conduct that are unacceptable. Engaging in conduct that is inconsistent with these rules will be considered on a case‑by‑case basis. Disciplinary action will be determined by the company and may range from verbal warning to immediate termination, depending upon the circumstance, and prior record of disciplinary action.

  • Long list of the usual blah blah blah blah in any given employee manual...
  • Possession of firearms, knifes, blades, fireworks, explosives, or any other weapon while on Acme Corporation or customer premises on Acme Corporation business, or in Acme Corporation vehicles.
The knife/blade part is a but dubious given that we use tools that have cutting blades in them all the time... along with my omni-present ever handy indespensible stainless steel Leatherman tool which I use daily on the job (and once in a while have to return to my vehicle when the LEO's manning the metal detectors in some locations say ix-nay on the Eathermanlay).

It is what it is. But we've also been informed and signed a form acknowledging such.
 

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Which means if your white your screwed because you have no discrimination argument!
This is true... when I was laid off from Xerox some years ago - surprise, surprise - women and minorities were largely spared.
 

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And as far as the "rent a cop" deal, those guys make a whopping $10 an hour. Give them some credit, they are only doing what they where hired to do. Nothing better than getting a bunch of crap from people who don't respect them cause their not Leo. I know some do a great job, some who watch porn all day, and some who think they are Dirty Harry/ American Ninjas. But like what some of the other posts stated, if it was in the handbook, then they have nobody to blame but themselves. You would think that a company who's main buyers are firearms companies, wouldn't have such a clause to fire an employee for a gun that they have a permit for or a bullet sitting on the front seat.
I'm not knocking the square-badges (hell - I used to be one - even though many that I've come across over the years are complete dipsh|ts)... BUT - I'm curious about the legalities of having your vehicle searched, and whether or not these employee's rights were violated since they were essentially coerced to comply with a company directive to allow someone to search their cars or face termination. I know that many of our Constitutional rights do not apply on private property (generally speaking, if you work for the gov't - you're covered)... but something strikes me as very wrong about what happened to your co-workers.
 

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I'm not knocking the square-badges (hell - I used to be one - even though many that I've come across over the years are complete dipsh|ts)... BUT - I'm curious about the legalities of having your vehicle searched, and whether or not these employee's rights were violated since they were essentially coerced to comply with a company directive to allow someone to search their cars or face termination. I know that many of our Constitutional rights do not apply on private property (generally speaking, if you work for the gov't - you're covered)... but something strikes me as very wrong about what happened to your co-workers.
Thats want I'm talking about, "many"of our constitutional rights do not apply on private property, why some? Not cool to bring your handgun to court, government building or even a place that states on the outside of the building enterance, but to leave it in your own vehicle on a non- government property should be allowed. I'm wishing for the best for them. This crap just reminds me of when you where not allowed to park at the ford plant unless you drove a ford.
 
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