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I know it's been talked about before but I thought it would start a new one. USMCVeteran and I were messaging about this and will post everything up to this point.

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I am sure you have all heard about the birthers movement and that they say obama is not a citizen. Well to be honest I never really gave it much thought because I always assumed that since he became president he was vetted to ensure he met the requirements to be president. It turns out that his Birth certificate he released and posted on the white house website was a forgery and apparently his lawyer who represented him in NJ over being placed on ballot there for this election admited that the birth certificate is in fact a forgery. So from what I can tell in my 20 minutes of research is that there is no official vetting and you do not have to prove citizenship to run and become president. So I just thought that was interesting and BS and even if Obama is a natural born citizen then why post a forged birth certificate to begin with?

On a side note does anyone know what laws would be broken by even creating a forged birth certificate?

Originally Posted by SomeSoldier

Its actually under fraud but this is the US law

18 USC § 1028 - FRAUD AND RELATED ACTIVITY IN CONNECTION WITH IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENTS, AUTHENTICATION FEATURES, AND INFORMATION

USMCVeteran:


Thanks. I will have to read that. I also found this but havent read the actual law yet18 U.S.C. § 494 : US Code - Section 494: Contractors' bonds, bids, and public records

I am not sure why the forged birth certificate is not being investigated more. Even though Obama didnt forge it himself he had to obviously know the document was forged and let is be passed of as real.

I found this in the constitution.
Section 4 - Disqualification
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachmentfor, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

So my interpratation is that if a President commits a crime he has to go to trial if his crimes fit with the above which this one might. If military is held to a higher standard then I think the President should as well.

SomeSoldier:
Considering the President is military (Command and Chief), he should be held to the same standard as anyone serving. I will definitely have to look into the links you posted.

I think he basically bribed everything to drop the case. To get this investigated more the people need to demand it, in order for it to go anywhere.


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I find it completely strange that its not all over the news that his own laywer admits they posted a forged birth certificate and blows it off as being nothing. I think that investigations should be done on every person running for president to ensure the minimum qualifications are met.

From what I read normal people cant sue either to force candidate to prove citizenship. It has to pretty much be the other party running and at this point I really dont know if both parties are really different or just one.
 

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No the people can't sue but a grand jury can probably open up a case and have it investigated then turn a inditement in.
 

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Care to elaborate?
 

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I didn't do the research on Obama, USMCVeteran did. I looked up the law on the document fraud. What I posted was the start of our conversation which I then turned into a thread to get views and opinions, also some possible evidence either way.
 

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Agree, this thread belongs in the trash. This topic has been beaten over and over again and has ZERO merit. I could just as easily claim that ANY of you on here have forged birth certificates and are NOT citizens, and the same thing could be thrown at me as well. Just because Barack looks a little different and has a funny name doesn't mean he's not a US-born citizen.
 

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Sounds good mods feel free to delete.
 

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I find it rediculous that the party a canadate is running for are the only ones required to ensure minimum qualifications are met. I have spent some more time looking into this and there have been a few cases in which Obama's birth certificate have been called into question. Including NJ and this one in Georgia

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Malihi-final-ruling.pdf

In all of them he has not once been required to produce any birth certificate. Plus in the Georgia court neither Obama or his attorney even showed up for court.

So regardless of whether or not Obama's birth certificate is a forgery I think that every presidential candidate must prove they meet constitutional requirements.
 

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I am not saying he isnt a natural born citizen, I am not saying his birth certificate is 100% fake and even if it was he still could be a natural born citizen and could have a real birth certificate. I just dont understand why he won't present his birth certificate in court as evidence and be done with it. If the Federal Government actually looked into the citizenship of every canidate then this would be not be a issue but since only the party endorsing the candidate verifies compliance with constitution I think it is reasonable for him and ALL candidates to provide it so each candidate can be investigated formally to ensure meeting the qualifications of the constitution.

Any one with a security clearance gets vetted so why not the highest position in this country?
 

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The "Certificate of Birth" as presented is questionable to say the least, Arapaio's team makes a compelling case against the authenticity of the submitted document.

I say check his argument for yourself, and see how certain you are that the "Certificate of Birth" is legit.
 

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I don't see the confusion here, it's in the constitution that one must be a natural born citizen to be President, but since Obama doesn't believe in the constitution it doesn't apply to him!
 

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I think everyone here can agree politicians and their parties lie. So why do we allow them to be the ones verifying age and citizenship status?
The media always reports on a lot less credible information then the investigation conducted by Sheriff Joe Arapaio so why didnt it make the news? Lets be honest here lol it is a little strange that Fox News didnt make a big stink about this because they seem to report on a lot of things that aren't true.

Yes the Constitution requires you to be a natural born citizen but apparently you dont have to provide any evidence proving it to anyone except for the people who want you to be president.

I did read something that made sense to me too. Basically it said that one of the tactics campaigns will use is too not provide any proof to allegations like this so that the other party will keep pushing it. Then right before the election they prove the allegations false to make opponent look like a wacko.
 

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"All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."

 
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