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I bought a 1957 870 Wingmaster a couple months ago and was thinking about a modification. I want to get a home defense barrel, but I would also like to fix a bayonet. Firstly, is this legal in new york and secondly is it possible to do this modification in a completely reversible way? I want to be able to switch back to stock for hunting.
 

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You cancel the 2 out with what you are planning on. Yes, it is legal because that stuff only matters on a semi-auto. The problem I see though is going from say a 26" hunting barrel, to a reasonable 18.5" HD barrel, and adding a 7" bayonet...bringing it back up to 25.5". The short barrels are for maneuvering around tight corners and this would seem to cancel that out.
 

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Perhaps there is a flip-bayonet mount available like the soviets used to use?
 

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The bayonet is a novelty item, while it looks cool and scary I highly doubt its effectiveness in CQB when mounted. Have you ever used a mounted bayonet or even trained with one? It is not as easy as it looks to be used as an effective weapon. A trained person will also know how to sidestep your advance with a bayonet and take it from you.
 

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A trained person will also know how to sidestep your advance with a bayonet and take it from you.
Ever heard of a tactical withdrawal? I am well aware of others possible skills and training in combat. I am not nor will ever be one to engage an opponent unless forced to. My desire is merely to give my family enough time to escape while the threat is distracted by me. Ever watch on nature shows how a mother leopard will run in the opposite direction from her cubs, to goad the lions or hyenas into following her? The bayonet is just one more tool to keep the threat's eyes on me. It's (or my rather) effectiveness as a weapon is inconsequential.
 

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If that is the strategy, why not just spray $100 bills into the air. I'm not commenting on the choice of strategy, just the bayonet's distracting powers compared to a lot of other things.
 

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Ever heard of a tactical withdrawal? I am well aware of others possible skills and training in combat. I am not nor will ever be one to engage an opponent unless forced to. My desire is merely to give my family enough time to escape while the threat is distracted by me. Ever watch on nature shows how a mother leopard will run in the opposite direction from her cubs, to goad the lions or hyenas into following her? The bayonet is just one more tool to keep the threat's eyes on me. It's (or my rather) effectiveness as a weapon is inconsequential.
Tactical withdrawals are done best by using covering fire. if you are not prepared to use the weapon for offensive manuvering then what is the sense of having it. It is your money, I just would not advise having a weapon you are not prepared to use when needed.

My tactical withdrawal will always come with a hail of bullets and it is only to get to a better weapon.
 

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Perhaps I should've explained this better, please pardon my clumsiness. If a weapon is pointed at me, I consider that engagement and all bets are off. In the unlikely event that all of my OO buckshot misses, I am cut off from my other weapons, ammunition, etc there must be another option. You must prepare for any possible event, no matter how implausible because " Everything which the enemy least expects will succeed the best." - Frederick the Great. If your opponent knows you're empty it is better to have a pointy piece of metal on the end of a long tube than just a long tube.
 

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Perhaps I should've explained this better, please pardon my clumsiness. If a weapon is pointed at me, I consider that engagement and all bets are off. In the unlikely event that all of my OO buckshot misses, I am cut off from my other weapons, ammunition, etc there must be another option. You must prepare for any possible event, no matter how implausible because " Everything which the enemy least expects will succeed the best." - Frederick the Great. If your opponent knows you're empty it is better to have a pointy piece of metal on the end of a long tube than just a long tube.
I suppose.....but a buttstroke to the head from the stock of that shotgun would be more realistic and even less expected. As I stated it is your money.
 

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Seriously ??? A shotgun with a bayonet ???? LMAO......Sorry but that is some funny $hit right there partner....:)
 

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"but a buttstroke to the head from the stock of that shotgun would be more realistic and even less expected"
What if they have helmets? ;)
"Seriously ??? A shotgun with a bayonet ???? LMAO......Sorry but that is some funny $hit right there partner...."
Google Winchester M97
 
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Nothing adds that certain “je ne sais quoi” to a lethal confrontation like a fixed bayonet.

It’s that little something extra that tells everyone that you really care.

Show them sumbiches some Cold Steel!!!

As an old Infantryman I must ask, “What is the spirit of the bayonet?”

You know…..go ahead and say it……..LOUDER!!!

Seriously though;
If you want a bayonet on your M870 go ahead and get one. There are plenty of options. Use Google.
 

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Well Im glad someone is a student of history.
 
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In the 21st century we’ve got plenty of ways to kill our adversary from a distance but there are times when the battle gets up close and personal.

When “there are gooks inside the wire” and things have “gone medieval” a bayonet is still an indispensable piece of gear and an effective weapon.

It seems that we modern men need to be regularly reminded that the real nature of killing each other hasn’t changed since Cane slew Able.

Sometimes you have to get wet.

Thrust, slash and butt-stroke are time honored ways to settle things when the enemy “has you by the belt buckle”.

From Gettysburg to Belleau Wood to Guadalcanal to Pork Chop Hill to the A Shau Valley to Basra Iraq the bayonet has been put to use in combat not because soldiers wanted to use them but because they had to use them.

The order, “FIX BAYONETS!” has a way of getting a soldier’s attention like no other.

Obsolete? I think not.
 

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I am setting up an 870 with a bayonet now. I have a thread with it on, minus the clamp with bayo lug. The Remington brand extensions will accept an M7 bayonet loop and S&J Hardware sells a barrel/extension clamp that has the bayonet lug on it. I still need to pick up this part, they sell them on ebay and also through their website. I cut down a vent rib barrel for mine to match the Remington extension because they are odd lengths and dont line up with the barrel tip, they are a little longer.

There is an old bayonet lug system for the 870 as well, i forget who made it but it was made for use as a trench gun. They usually cost about as much as a new 870 if you can find one. The S&J piece is $100 and readily, available.

The guy asked if its possible and legal, not if its practical or for strategy advice. Its possible. Its legal. It looks cool and makes the owner happy. Good enough.
 

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Yeah I would like the bayonet as legal as possible (I think 4 inches is the limit in Monroe County).

"History also mentions the use of muskets..."
Thats my next purchase when I have the funds. Pedersoli makes an excellent Charleville.
 
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