[jmac00]

A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer

this is a background conversation of what happened....right after it happened

 

[meketrefe]

If one is shot and in shock the instinctive reaction might be to run towards someone w/o even realizing that is the person that is shooting at you.
Was this kid armed or not?
Folks are all over the place.

 

[epthorn]

If one is shot and in shock the instinctive reaction might be to run towards someone w/o even realizing that is the person that is shooting at you.
Was this kid armed or not?
Folks are all over the place.

Why do you think someone needs to be armed to pose a threat?

 

[meketrefe]

Why do you think someone needs to be armed to pose a threat?

Because if I am pointing someone with a loaded firearm ready to fire I might have a cushion to evaluate and then act that is a lot better than acting to later evaluate. But there is no time to think so a lot of this depends on how the conditioning and training is done. Unfortunately many lag on this respect. We learn this from many officers training with them every week.

 

[truebeliever2013]

roughly 10% of cops killed are overpowered by their assailant and killed with their own gun. Almost every fight a cop has there is a gun involved. Their own.

unless there is a surprise or the autopsy comes back to say otherwise--- not likely since Holder ordered a second one--- the cop seems justified. This is why cops give other cops the benefit of the doubt unless PROVEN otherwise. All active cops have been in similar circumstances to a much lesser degree of severity.

 

[epthorn]

Because if I am pointing someone with a loaded firearm ready to fire I might have a cushion to evaluate and then act that is a lot better than acting to later evaluate. But there is no time to think so a lot of this depends on how the conditioning and training is done. Unfortunately many lag on this respect. We learn this from many officers training with them every week.

I'm not entirely sure of your point... so if someone is running at you when they have tried to take your gun once and you are pointing a firearm at them you think you can reholster and go hands-on? I don't know who you train 'with' but if conversation linked is accurate then I don't know any cop who would trust that cushion.

Insert pin cushion joke here.

 

[meketrefe]

roughly 10% of cops killed are overpowered by their assailant and killed with their own gun. Almost every fight a cop has there is a gun involved. Their own.

This is one of the points addressed with alternative tactics. Most cops do not get the necessary training for any situation. Only those who want to excel have to do it on their own dime and time.
The whole situation with this event is so confusing. I am not sure how anyone could make anything said in the video. I didn't understand a thing he said.

 

[Norm DeGuerre]

If one is shot and in shock the instinctive reaction might be to run towards someone w/o even realizing that is the person that is shooting at you.

huh ...??
MY first instinct would be to find hard cover ...:wacko:

 

[terzmo]

11 days after the fact, this is out ?

On a sidebar...what realy stinks , im my opinion,...alot of people agree police can shoot an unarmed person who threatens them with physical harm..is interpretted that way...whatever......BUT...the same scenario with mr.Joe public , it's a different set of rules. Life threatening is Joe publics line of defense...harm is for leo's.

 

[ImpeachObama]

He was 6'3 or 6'5 wasn't he, 280 pounds or so.

 

[Nfngun]

So from the video someone can actually get an account of what happened in the audio because I don't know what the hell the guys saying, "HIM" is Him be round about to HIM like then Police shoot him and him be like Dam son. I think I need a translator because who the F is Him and when is Him, He.

So if man runs at police shoot to kill, got it, I'm going to save that one for any Self Defense case I may be involved in. Cop case history. Wouldn't be the first time a victim was shot by police trying to run for cover either.

HIS RUNNING AWAY SHOOT HIM!
HIS RUNNING TOWARDS US SHOOT HIM!

HE STANDING STILL CHOKE HIM! THEN LET HIM RUN THEN SHOOT HIM!
HE HAS A WALLET SHOOT HIM!

 

[jmac00]

11 days after the fact, this is out ?

On a sidebar...what realy stinks , im my opinion,...alot of people agree police can shoot an unarmed person who threatens them with physical harm..is interpretted that way...whatever......BUT...the same scenario with mr.Joe public , it's a different set of rules. Life threatening is Joe publics line of defense...harm is for leo's.

I don't think there is necessarily two sets of rules, some police have gone to jail for abusing their positions. The big difference is who pays for the lawyers. Police have an unlimited supply of legal advice/services that doesn't cost them anything. Joe Citizen has to pay for his own defense

 

[mrod]

On news police officer face was bruised, you can make out that the person on recording says he was running at leo.
this if is true changes every thing . so have to wait for coroner report. and find out about recording.

 

[Nfngun]

Can not disagree with you more, especially when its common knowledge and cited in law police have and use "probability" and "procedure" to cover their ass, Joe citizen needs unadulterated fact and has no such "procedure to hide behind". You do not have a chance in hell using the same defense an officer uses even if you used all their resources. Complete double standard in the court system, Police are automatically given the benefit of the doubt. You as a citizen are Guilty until you can prove your innocents.

I don't think there is necessarily two sets of rules, some police have gone to jail for abusing their positions. The big difference is who pays for the lawyers. Police have an unlimited supply of legal advice/services that doesn't cost them anything. Joe Citizen has to pay for his own defense

 

[meketrefe]

huh ...??
MY first instinct would be to find hard cover ...:wacko:

The problem is when the only hardcover is in front of you (or you think is in front of you) and with the tunel vision you don't realize you are
running towards the fire and therefore increasing the chances of getting popped. Unlike the trenches nobody is providing cover fire for you.
Other than shock, nerves and confusion, there is also the possibility that someone is insane or under the influence of something.
We will have to see...

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

He was 6'3 or 6'5 wasn't he, 280 pounds or so.

6'4" and 293 lbs. from what I have read.

 

[Holdover]

The man was 6''4 280 lbs, He has just been in a struggle with the officer which may have involved grabbing at the gun . At this point the suspect has established himself as danger in the officers mind if the facts are correct.

The officer tells him to stop , the suspect turns around and for whatever reason , stupidity I guess, Brown decides the cop is full of sht and would not fire on him for doing ""nothing"" So he dares him to shoot , then charges the officer .

The officer does not want to get into a hand to hand confrontation with a violent guy of this size because he may lose his gun and wind up dead .

If that's the way it happened , then this cop is off the hook .

I could not for the life of me understand how the shooting may have occurred , because in my mind, you don't run right at at officer pointing a gun at your face and expect to tell the tale about it. Its so stupid its not even an option or even believable,


What makes me belive now, it is it matches the facts and is now supported by a witness that this was the case. It wasn't just the lone officers word against several witnesses . and the shooting doesn't make sense from some of the eyewitness testimony. But now it seems to be getting a little more clear.

 

[Burzum]

I am ultra-draconian, this POS robbed a store, the bullet found its mark, problem solved.

The police can make mistakes, had he been the innocent angel we were led to believe then that would be a different story.

The bigger issue which the media, ACLU, and every other bleeding heart activist, fails to address is that this is the powder keg of ECONOMIC inequality NOT racial inequality. Ferguson MO, could/will be anywhere, if the plutocrats of BOTH parties want to keep endorsing job-killing trade policies, destroying millions of jobs and the tax base, our Republic will succumb to what president Eisenhower feared most, a decimated middle class.

Standard and Poors have admitted that 95% of the gains (2009 - 2013) are going to the 1%, this perverted economic model is not working.

 

[terzmo]

I don't think there is necessarily two sets of rules, some police have gone to jail for abusing their positions. The big difference is who pays for the lawyers. Police have an unlimited supply of legal advice/services that doesn't cost them anything. Joe Citizen has to pay for his own defense

there are two sets of rules....take a security guard training course and also see the differences...If I were to kill an unarmed man..or group of men, I had better be sure I can convince the court I was going to die....getting the crap kicked out of you does not justify a killing in NY

 

[Holdover]

Standard and Poors have admitted that 95% of the gains (2009 - 2013) are going to the 1%, this perverted economic model is not working.

Its working perfectly if your a 1%er