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Why not start with DHS and FEMA. they are a useless huge expense and instead have specialized local organizations depending on needs that run
leaner and with a more reasonable sensible approach.
This big central government ideas rarely work.
 

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Or why have a law enforcement agency named after two things that are in our Constitution as legal and a plant that was an early building block of this country . Abolish them and fund new jobs rebuilding our infrastructure .
 

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Who needs the ATF when you have NY government?
 

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Anyone who doubts that the ATF is a criminal enterprise run by our government against its own, law-abiding citizens needs to read about the Reese family:

Reese Family - Fast & Furious Scapegoat? - Gun Owners of America

GUN WATCH: NM:BATFE Persecution in Reese Case Continues

Just one egregious example out of many, many other examples of the Tyranny at the Federal level of Government that has been perpetrated by the ATF at the behest of our political masters.

The JustUs System barreling right along in its quest to bring despotism to a once free nation can be summed up in three letters: ATF
 

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Anyone who doubts that the ATF is a criminal enterprise run by our government against its own, law-abiding citizens needs to read about the Reese family:

Reese Family - Fast & Furious Scapegoat? - Gun Owners of America

GUN WATCH: NM:BATFE Persecution in Reese Case Continues

Just one egregious example out of many, many other examples of the Tyranny at the Federal level of Government that has been perpetrated by the ATF at the behest of our political masters.

The JustUs System barreling right along in its quest to bring despotism to a once free nation can be summed up in three letters: ATF
Good to see you on John Stark
 

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Why not start with DHS and FEMA. they are a useless huge expense and instead have specialized local organizations depending on needs that run
leaner and with a more reasonable sensible approach.
This big central government ideas rarely work.
What they do anyway? All I see is DHS Tahoes driving up and down the main road going to no where where I live.
 

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well, that would be a start.... id love to see the end of the ATF, and even more so DHS...
 

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You guys just don't get it do you? They secure our homeland. It's in their name.
Harumph. I'll tell you what they have secured and that's a nice new building and a parking lot loaded with black SUVs in Oswego NY. As we all know, Oswego has been the center of terrorist attacks, bombings, and smuggling. In 1814, anyway. So they must have made some progress, because here we are 200 years later and Oswego is pretty quiet, thanks to all those black DHS SUVs.
 

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When they're done eliminating the agencies already mentioned, get rid of the DoE, both of them, and while the momentum is in full kinesis, maybe grab the EPA and put a strangle hold on it as well.
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Here is something scary to think about. What are they going to replace it with?!!!
Maybe an agency that will actually enforce the laws already on the books.
 

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Transfer the gun law enforcement to the FBI? So the 4473s and NICS would be handled in the same agency - no thanks. For the all the stupid situations that the ATF gets themselves into, remember that it was not the ATF that was primarily exchanging fire at Ruby Ridge and Waco - it was FBI HRT, brought in after the ATF screwed things up.

Alcohol and tobacco to DEA? Child proof caps on whiskey bottles and having to scan your license for tobacco like they have done to pseudoephedrine?
 

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well, that would be a start.... id love to see the end of the ATF, and even more so DHS...
I believe that the DHS has become the executive branch's own domestic private army and navy. It needs to be broken up.
 

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Nice to see John stark posting again, I'm glad to see this too bad the democraps won't allow it to happen.
 

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Always talk of abolishing agencies, departments, etc, but rarely happens. Besides, there are usually NEW ones to replace them which are usually just as wasteful, useless, and corrupt. Wishful thinking. Revamping or re-structuring does NOT necessarily mean an increase in efficiency or less cost. We live in an age of HUGE government. The ball is rolling and few can slow it down. Good luck with that. The Military-Industrial-Complex runs Corporate-Owned-America, and you cannot stop it. It's a Cancer that will die only when the host is destroyed.
 
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