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Still disturbing just thinking about that show the next day. Both my wife and my daughter told me this morning of the nightmares they had, especially how it relates to the killing of the family dog. The painful wails of the dog when it got shot and the heartbreaking cry if the owner "you shot my dog" really sticks in your brain. The Iraq vet that got shot and killed with 70+ rounds and guess the amount of drugs they found in the house afterward. NONE! This should bring new rhetoric from the anti-gun people that cops should not have guns or any form of deadly force. The use of overwhelming violence by cops, especially for suspected non-violent offenses, was the focus of much of the show. Not sure if/when it will be aired again. Perhaps the show in it's entirety will show up on youtube.

Link to the book featured on the show. http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas-ebook/dp/B00B3M3UFQ

Not the whole show, but a 7 minute segment here.

Not part of the show, but a youtube of the featured author.
 

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Agreed. Very disturbing. The fact that the officers were cleared for shooting the dog and the officer Stossel was interviewing talked so calmly about the dog being as threat to the officers was also disturbing - especially when they found NOTHING in the house.

The piece where a couple who work for the CIA and have clean background were raided (with a warrant) because of stems and leaves in their garbage that later tested negative for Pot is another clear display of the ongoing violations of our Constitutional rights. Especially when it took a year for them to find out why the warrant was issued!
 

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This show is on again right now, Sunday night. Go turn on your TV and tune in to Fox.
 

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Stossel needs to get off Fox news.

Reading some of the comments on a post he made on facebook about how not a single good thing comes from the war on drugs (covered in this special), and good things come from ending it, the right wing loony toons act as if they are in the bronze age.

He is better than that.
 

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I watched it last night. It is disturbing to put it mildly, but what can we do about it?

Religion can no longer control the masses, we are too diverse here in the US.

Next best thing FORCE.
 

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I watched it last night. It is disturbing to put it mildly, but what can we do about it?

Religion can no longer control the masses, we are too diverse here in the US.

Next best thing FORCE.
thats a very good point... we are too diverse, and while religion typically teaches good morals and values I always felt that it was just another form of control over the people.

so, now they are resorting to strong arming society to maintain control, and that is only going to last so long until people start to say they have had enough.

when are people going to stand arm to arm and actually do something positive to give the message that we have had enough and wont take anymore.

I wish I caught this special as I would have liked to see it.
 

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thats a very good point... we are too diverse, and while religion typically teaches good morals and values I always felt that it was just another form of control over the people.

so, now they are resorting to strong arming society to maintain control, and that is only going to last so long until people start to say they have had enough.
I'm a little confused about how religion enters into this discussion. Are either of you suggesting the populace actually needs to be under this much control? The growth of government power has little to do with any actual need to control the population*, and far more to do with the desire of those in power to gain more power. The government shut down due to a budget impasse and government forces were used to inconvenience people unnecessarily in an ironic attempt to convince people our government is necessary. We could eliminate a substantial portion of our current government and people's lives would get better, not worse. Government control isn't an attempt to fill some power vacuum that has been created by the decline of religion.

If anyone needs lessons on morals and values it would be our leaders and politicians, not the general population. If anyone needs to be "controlled" at this point in our nation's history, it's not the general population.

* Violent crime being at historic lows supports this, and I really don't think SWAT raids on non-violent offenders is the reason we have a low violent crime rate. The militarization of our police force correlates with the expansion of government more than the crime rate.
 

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Warfab - historically organized religion has been described as a way to control a population, particularly the lower classes. There is an old saying about how religion is the opiate of the masses. I am not saying it is correct but the topic does relate to control.
 

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Warfab - historically organized religion has been described as a way to control a population, particularly the lower classes. There is an old saying about how religion is the opiate of the masses. I am not saying it is correct but the topic does relate to control.
Yes, but what he is saying is how that is relevant? We don't need population control. We have too MUCH population control. We'd be just as well off without religion. The government is the problem here.
 

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I weep a bit everytime I see these stories and these videos!

Where in the Hell do we live.

There are little words that can describe true feelings!
 

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Yes, but what he is saying is how that is relevant? We don't need population control. We have too MUCH population control. We'd be just as well off without religion. The government is the problem here.
Long Gun raised the issue of religion and control. He must have thought it relevant. I only noted that the issue of religion and control of a population has a long history.

I can't be certain but my guess is he believes that governments must feel they need to get a tighter grip on the populace as the influence of religion wanes. Long Gun, care to expand upon your original comment?
 

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Looks like someone posted it to YouTube:

 

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In short, I took took the post to mean that since the country has become so much more diverse and religion less common that the government seized the opportunity to grow exponentially because THEY feel that we need to be controlled.

after my years of ranting about big government, Liberty/freedom, and the Constitution; how could anyone ever think id support MORE governmental control...lol.... thats just silly talk man. ;)

I'm a little confused about how religion enters into this discussion. Are either of you suggesting the populace actually needs to be under this much control? The growth of government power has little to do with any actual need to control the population*, and far more to do with the desire of those in power to gain more power. The government shut down due to a budget impasse and government forces were used to inconvenience people unnecessarily in an ironic attempt to convince people our government is necessary. We could eliminate a substantial portion of our current government and people's lives would get better, not worse. Government control isn't an attempt to fill some power vacuum that has been created by the decline of religion.

If anyone needs lessons on morals and values it would be our leaders and politicians, not the general population. If anyone needs to be "controlled" at this point in our nation's history, it's not the general population.

* Violent crime being at historic lows supports this, and I really don't think SWAT raids on non-violent offenders is the reason we have a low violent crime rate. The militarization of our police force correlates with the expansion of government more than the crime rate.
 

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security from who? from government?crooked politicians?
 

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Looks like someone posted it to YouTube:

Thanks for the link so others can watch. Not sure if I can bear to watch it again anytime soon.

A point of clarification for those posting about religion. I don't recall the John Stossel show mentioning religion, but I sure hope there is a special place in hell for those heartless oathbreakers. I know there a several LEO's on this forum and I truly sincerely want you to be safe out there when you put your lives on the line every day.We have to find a way to come together and not let news like this tear us apart. I would like to offer this advice to any LEO listening. Treat these house raids as if the occupant is your brother or cousin or other family member that you understand may need to be taken into custody, but do so in the safest most controlled manner for both sides. I know that I speak for basically all dog owners when I say each dog is a member of the family. The pain/rage/anger of having your dog shot has got to be the same as if one of your children were shot.
 

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Add all those SWAT tactics with NO Knock Warrants and what do you get ???
 

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Stossel needs to get off Fox news.

Reading some of the comments on a post he made on facebook about how not a single good thing comes from the war on drugs (covered in this special), and good things come from ending it, the right wing loony toons act as if they are in the bronze age.

He is better than that.
He is certainly not the typical lame stream media talking head. I became a Stossel fan when I came across a show he did that featured Kennesaw Georgia. (Can't find it right now). However, I did find this.
Tell me if you like him better after watching this 7+ minute vid.
 

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