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Personally, from being there when 9/11 happened , as well as going to NOLA shortly after Katrina, I feel we we have already seen SHTF situations! From the revolutionary and civil wars to all our natural disasters, fires , race riots etc... What worries me is the increasing rate and varied things that are coming up lately. One crisis is potentially controllable to some extent but a combination is what puts the spin factor on it. Prepardness is what will make a difference individually. For those of us in more rural areas I think we will have better luck with the necessities. Although govt resources will be in more populated areas, in the early there will be a breakdown of that during initial assessment phase. Local govt with community help will and is the backbone. When there is a SHTF , I would not want to be in a city environment. Just my 2cents here.
 

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Personally, from being there when 9/11 happened , as well as going to NOLA shortly after Katrina, I feel we we have already seen SHTF situations! From the revolutionary and civil wars to all our natural disasters, fires , race riots etc... What worries me is the increasing rate and varied things that are coming up lately. One crisis is potentially controllable to some extent but a combination is what puts the spin factor on it. Prepardness is what will make a difference individually. For those of us in more rural areas I think we will have better luck with the necessities. Although govt resources will be in more populated areas, in the early there will be a breakdown of that during initial assessment phase. Local govt with community help will and is the backbone. When there is a SHTF , I would not want to be in a city environment. Just my 2cents here.
Well said..I wouldn't be near a city with any size to it...If you live in a city, get a bol you can get to fast..
 

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I am thinking something big will go down now within the next 10 years and probably sooner rather then later. This Health care decision by SCOTUS spells the beginning of the end. I do think though we have about 50 years or so before its completely to late assuming the government takes its time.
For other scenarios I think from where we are we have to mostly worry about floods (depending on where you live) and massive snow storms. Besides those 2 natural disasters I have to agree with Kmussack on lack of power and supplies from unrest or disasters in other parts of the country effecting us here.
 

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This is Unsustainable as a Nation---->U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

As states go broke---r, we will not be able to pay for the Unemployed,SS,and Welfare. Then you will see mad riots on the streets.
Didn't the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff say a couple years ago that our debt was the greatest national security threat that we faced?
 

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From my perspective it will be civil unrest maybe a revolution. Never in my life have I felt the country this divided. Politically, economically, spiritually, emotionally! When that happens I foresee myself being unprepared due to my economic stand point in regards to food and survival supplies but I pretty street smart and feel confident enough that I could provide more in a "by any means nessesary" style then a hermit, survivalist style. I am armed so I feel at least safe for the first 48hrs.
 

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Yes , at the rate the world consumes oil it is bound to run out soon. Plus there is really no other fuel or energy to take its place. No oil equals anarchy. Or all the other possibilities. Virus,solar flares or wars.
 

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the Chinese primarily.

We repay them in a number of ways.

Lot of bits of the US is going to the Chinese surprisingly. Parks, land, etc.
uncle sam owes about 16 trillion, 1.2 trillion of that debt is to the chinese. the bulk or largest holder of that debt is the federal reserve or in other words, taxpayers. just like in the 80's when everybody said the jap's were buying everything and again in the 90's when the saudis were thought to be buying everything. this is just hysteria. do you really think the chinese will foreclosure on the us goverment.
 

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uncle sam owes about 16 trillion, 1.2 trillion of that debt is to the chinese. the bulk or largest holder of that debt is the federal reserve or in other words, taxpayers. just like in the 80's when everybody said the jap's were buying everything and again in the 90's when the saudis were thought to be buying everything. this is just hysteria. do you really think the chinese will foreclosure on the us goverment.
Isnt hysteria. The Saudis are smart enough to invest in things other than oil which they know will eventually run out / low.

1.2 trillion is still a $hit ton of money. Look at the GDPs of many countries.... puts it in perspective. People have gone to war over MUCH smaller things than a "silly" or "insignificant" 1.2 TRILLION.

im just saying, dont ever discount anything 100%.
 

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When we eventually default the people holding the worthless IOU will try to collect, that is when people will start dying or capitulating to live in slavery. I am one of those who believe it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
 

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Yes , at the rate the world consumes oil it is bound to run out soon. Plus there is really no other fuel or energy to take its place. No oil equals anarchy. Or all the other possibilities. Virus,solar flares or wars.
Actually, this is a common misconception. The world is not in any danger of running out of oil soon. What IS a danger of happening is the price rising/supply shrinking due to stupid regulations.
 

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I believe within my lifetime there will be a SHTF situation, this doesn't mean the world is going to end or that we are going to have a second full on revolution, but I think there will be a time when the entire country may end up like the Katrina aftermath for a few months at least before order is restored.
 

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I believe within my lifetime there will be a SHTF situation, this doesn't mean the world is going to end or that we are going to have a second full on revolution, but I think there will be a time when the entire country may end up like the Katrina aftermath for a few months at least before order is restored.
Problem with that situation is order will be restored by a foreign power.
 
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