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Where have I seen it before? Then it dawned on me and I wondered what might be Hillary s response to this question.
Hil, should Americans be concerned about ISIS? Her response may be something like this:

I refuse to pander to you vast right wing conspirators. Why can't you leave my cheating husband alone. Just because he didn't know what the definition of is, is, and besides that was a long time ago what difference at this point can it possibly make.


Come on now, that's funny .
 

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The problem with ISIS is that they aren't JUST religious fanatics... they are also smart and pragmatic.

They run the electric grid, provide food, collect taxes... they are a ruthlessly efficient form of government whereever their influence goes.

For most of the people in their locus of control, they are a better option than Syrian Regime/Iraqi politicians (who rival those of NY and Chicago for corruption)/other religous fanatics...

... except of course for those that are killed....

... which is why they will enjoy quite a bit of popular support in the areas they control. They will be able to melt into the background when they need to, and know that fear will keep them hidden, since so many that would rat them out are dead and gone.
 

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ISIS has been there since we removed Saddam from power 10 years ago . This magical name changing is propaganda 101.

Resistance fighters cannot throw Americans out of Iraq,

Resistance fighters know that the Americans are planning on leaving Iraq

Resistance fighters know that they can receive help in Syria .

Resistance fighters know the US wont attack Syria while still in Iraq

The US begins to with draw forces from Iraq a power vacuum is created

Resistance fighters begin to take over citys once controlled by US forces now left undefended.

Iraqi army units defect over to their country men

Isis begins to exact revenge on those who have helped the Americans . Mostly by shooting, but the real azzholes get beheaded.

One by one the citys of Iraq fall into the hands of the Iraqi resistance which were hardened by ten years of war .

The moral of the story is that the Americans have once again failed to achieve victory against a moderately armed resistance , even though they were equipped with cutting edge technology that could not be matched or answered by their enemys. They never learned the lessons of Vietnam which were technology wins battles but strategy's win wars , and we never had a strategy to win . Even though we kicked the living sht out of them , it was bound to fail if they had no plan which would work AFTER the battle .
 

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A good thing though is that they have an army. They travel as an army.
Warm up the bombers. Oh wait. We downsized.
Watch as see, all the "libs" that deamonized Bush and Cheny will now be justifying what ever the heck Obama is going to do, because he is protecting us.
 

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Unless we want to get involved in the Mid East for the next 1000 years we should stay the fk out of there.

I don't give a rats azz who they kill be head or maim . its THIER COUNTRY!! and they don't like foreigners telling them what to do .

Their problem is Israel, not the US . They been telling us that for 50 years!!!!! The US blindly supports Isreal without question and will not even concede an Isreali wrong. So, Let those two kids fight it out for the next 50,000 years but leave American kids out of it.

Fk Iraq, fk Iran ,fk Syria and fk Isreal , give all em all nukes and fast track this sht, and maybe we can get some peace and quiet for once.
 

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There is no rational explanation why after 9/11 and everything that went on in the last decade and half, our government again sided with Islamic Jihadists against secular governments in Syria and North Africa. That's an 800lb gorilla in the room that no one wants to see.
 

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Unless we want to get involved in the Mid East for the next 1000 years we should stay the fk out of there.

I don't give a rats azz who they kill be head or maim . its THIER COUNTRY!! and they don't like foreigners telling them what to do .

Their problem is Israel, not the US . They been telling us that for 50 years!!!!! The US blindly supports Isreal without question and will not even concede an Isreali wrong. So, Let those two kids fight it out for the next 50,000 years but leave American kids out of it.

Fk Iraq, fk Iran ,fk Syria and fk Isreal , give all em all nukes and fast track this sht, and maybe we can get some peace and quiet for once.
So why do they fight the Russians, when Russia always sided against Israel?
 

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Unless we want to get involved in the Mid East for the next 1000 years we should stay the fk out of there.

I don't give a rats azz who they kill be head or maim . its THIER COUNTRY!! and they don't like foreigners telling them what to do .

Their problem is Israel, not the US . They been telling us that for 50 years!!!!! The US blindly supports Isreal without question and will not even concede an Isreali wrong. So, Let those two kids fight it out for the next 50,000 years but leave American kids out of it.

Fk Iraq, fk Iran ,fk Syria and fk Israel , give all em all nukes and fast track this sht, and maybe we can get some peace and quiet for once.
"Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure."
 

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So why do they fight the Russians, when Russia always sided against Israel?
what does that have to do with us ?

Do you remember all the major battles and wars we had with the Arab states before Israel became a state?
 

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There is no rational explanation why after 9/11 and everything that went on in the last decade and half, our government again sided with Islamic Jihadists against secular governments in Syria and North Africa. That's an 800lb gorilla in the room that no one wants to see.
Who needs a rational explanation when there is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to be made?
 

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America, as a country, has been fighting against Islamic extremists since Tripoli... as in "to the shores of Tripoli". Yes, we fought the Battles of Tripoli in 1802 through 1804 because the Barbary pirates were capturing non-Muslim people for slaves. These Islamic extremists don't care if our country is fighting against them or not...all they care about is converting or killing anybody who does not meet their definition of Islamic. And, that includes other Muslim groups and countries who aren't as extreme.

To answer the question about whether we should be concerned about ISIS. Simple answer is YES.

My reasoning is that they are more organized than prior groups and are working towards creating a pure Islamic state that covers several countries in the middle east - even Saudi Arabia, since ISIS has publicly denounced their government as corrupted as well.
Now, are they going to attack the US mainland. I certainly think they will try and I also think the most likely attack vector is the power grid. They saw what happened after September 11th - American resolve strengthened and we launched an all out attack on those we believed were involved. ISIS leadership does not want that, they want to solidify power and control before they face the might of the US. So, the chatter about an attack on the grid makes sense. Take out domestic electric and throw the US into a major domestic crisis. The American people will be more worried about surviving, National Guard and military units will be called on to help domestic services. From what I have read, it would take 6 months to a year to recover the grid after a successful coordinated attack. Imaging how much an organized and dedicated group like ISIS can do if left alone for a year.

The scarier fact is that knocking out the grid has already been done successfully by one cartel in Mexico, where they took down the grid in one Mexican state to further their agenda and attack oil company assets - Mexican Drug Cartels Attack State-Owned Energy Assets . ISIS doesn't even need to send in jihadists, they can simply pay the Mexican drug cartels to take down the US grid.
 

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what does that have to do with us ?

Do you remember all the major battles and wars we had with the Arab states before Israel became a state?
It's irrational to blame Israel for what we do because of our need for Arab oil. Did we start Desert Shield/ Desert Storm because of Israel? Did we ever send troops to defend Israel, like we did with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia?
When AlQaeda started attacking us, they demanded we pull out our troops from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. We weren't in these places because of Israel.
 

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The problem with ISIS is that they aren't JUST religious fanatics... they are also smart and pragmatic.

They run the electric grid, provide food, collect taxes... they are a ruthlessly efficient form of government whereever their influence goes.

For most of the people in their locus of control, they are a better option than Syrian Regime/Iraqi politicians (who rival those of NY and Chicago for corruption)/other religous fanatics...

... except of course for those that are killed....

... which is why they will enjoy quite a bit of popular support in the areas they control. They will be able to melt into the background when they need to, and know that fear will keep them hidden, since so many that would rat them out are dead and gone.
Ruthless totalitarian governments are very good at maximizing productivity and making the trains run on time (assuming they aren't being run by total nutjobs like Mao or Kim Jong). Many people are quite willing to sacrifice their freedom for these benefits.
 

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It's irrational to blame Israel for what we do because of our need for Arab oil.

That would be correct.

Did we start Desert Shield/ Desert Storm because of Israel?

The biggest military threat to the state of Israel at the time was Iraq. Israel fully backed and pushed war on Iraq . Israel had bombed Osirak reactorin Iraq in 81 . Iraq was very much a military threat to Isreal.

Do you believe we went into Iraq because Iraqi soldiers threw Kuwaiti babys out their incubators??Do you think we did it for the tiny piss ass backward country of Kuwait?

Did we ever send troops to defend Israel, like we did with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia?

No, We sent them billions of dollars in weapons and training which were used against the Arab people. We also signed a military alliance pact with Israel which we are pretty much dedicated to the survival and defense of Israel. In a way, one could make the argument that is exactly what we did in Iraq in 91. Albeit maybe not the total reason.

When AlQaeda started attacking us, they demanded we pull out our troops from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. We weren't in these places because of Israel.
This is correct, but that is only a fragment of the situation that we are in in the Mid East.



Online document: the full text of Osama bin Laden's "letter to the American people", reported in today's Observer. The letter first appeared on the internet in Arabic and has since been translated and circulated by Islamists in Britain.

Observer Worldview : Sunday November 24, 2002

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, "Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" [Quran 22:39]

"Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76]

Some American writers have published articles under the title 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth - as an explanation and warning - hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him.

While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.


a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.

When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.

(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.

(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.

(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.

(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.

(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.

(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!

(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:

(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.

(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.

(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.

(e) This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.

(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.

The American Government and press still refuses to answer the question:

Why did they attack us in New York and Washington?

If Sharon is a man of peace in the eyes of Bush, then we are also men of peace!!! America does not understand the language of manners and principles, so we are addressing it using the language it understands.

(Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions. It is the religion of Unification of God, sincerity, the best of manners, righteousness, mercy, honour, purity, and piety. It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted. It is the religion of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil with the hand, tongue and heart. It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme. And it is the religion of unity and agreement on the obedience to Allah, and total equality between all people, without regarding their colour, sex, or language.

(b) It is the religion whose book - the Quran - will remained preserved and unchanged, after the other Divine books and messages have been changed. The Quran is the miracle until the Day of Judgment. Allah has challenged anyone to bring a book like the Quran or even ten verses like it.

(2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

(b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

(ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

(iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

(viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.

(xi) You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and*industries.

(x) Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.

(xi) That which you are singled out for in the history of mankind, is that you have used your force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure your interests and profits. You who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have you carried out, O callers to freedom?

(xii) Let us not forget one of your major characteristics: your duality in both manners and values; your hypocrisy in manners and principles. All*manners, principles and values have two scales: one for you and one for the others.

(a)The freedom and democracy that you call to is for yourselves and for white race only; as for the rest of the world, you impose upon them your monstrous, destructive policies and Governments, which you call the 'American friends'. Yet you prevent them from establishing democracies. When the Islamic party in Algeria wanted to practice democracy and they won the election, you unleashed your agents in the Algerian army onto them, and to attack them with tanks and guns, to imprison them and torture them - a new lesson from the 'American book of democracy'!!!

(b)Your policy on prohibiting and forcibly removing weapons of mass destruction to ensure world peace: it only applies to those countries which you do not permit to possess such weapons. As for the countries you consent to, such as Israel, then they are allowed to keep and use such weapons to defend their security. Anyone else who you suspect might be manufacturing or keeping these kinds of weapons, you call them criminals and you take military action against them.

(c)You are the last ones to respect the resolutions and policies of International Law, yet you claim to want to selectively punish anyone else who does the same. Israel has for more than 50 years been pushing UN resolutions and rules against the wall with the full support of America.

(d)As for the war criminals which you censure and form criminal courts for - you shamelessly ask that your own are granted immunity!! However, history will not forget the war crimes that you committed against the Muslims and the rest of the world; those you have killed in Japan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and Iraq will remain a shame that you will never be able to escape. It will suffice to remind you of your latest war crimes in Afghanistan, in which densely populated innocent civilian villages were destroyed, bombs were dropped on mosques causing the roof of the mosque to come crashing down on the heads of the Muslims praying inside. You are the ones who broke the agreement with the Mujahideen when they left Qunduz, bombing them in Jangi fort, and killing more than 1,000 of your prisoners through suffocation and thirst. Allah alone knows how many people have died by torture at the hands of you and your agents. Your planes remain in the Afghan skies, looking for anyone remotely suspicious.

(e)You have claimed to be the vanguards of Human Rights, and your Ministry of Foreign affairs issues annual reports containing statistics of those countries that violate any Human Rights. However, all these things vanished when the Mujahideen hit you, and you then implemented the methods of the same documented governments that you used to curse. In America, you captured thousands the Muslims and Arabs, took them into custody with neither reason, court trial, nor even disclosing their names. You issued newer, harsher laws.

What happens in Guatanamo is a historical embarrassment to America and its values, and it screams into your faces - you hypocrites, "What is the value of your signature on any agreement or treaty?"

(3) What we call you to thirdly is to take an honest stance with yourselves - and I doubt you will do so - to discover that you are a nation without principles or manners, and that the values and principles to you are something which you merely demand from others, not that which you yourself must adhere to.

(4) We also advise you to stop supporting Israel, and to end your support of the Indians in Kashmir, the Russians against the Chechens and to also cease supporting the Manila Government against the Muslims in Southern Philippines.

(5) We also advise you to pack your luggage and get out of our lands. We desire for your goodness, guidance, and righteousness, so do not force us to send you back as cargo in coffins.

(6) Sixthly, we call upon you to end your support of the corrupt leaders in our countries. Do not interfere in our politics and method of education. Leave us alone, or else expect us in New York and Washington.

(7) We also call you to deal with us and interact with us on the basis of mutual interests and benefits, rather than the policies of sub dual, theft and occupation, and not to continue your policy of supporting the Jews because this will result in more disasters for you.

If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation. The Nation of Monotheism, that puts complete trust on Allah and fears none other than Him. The Nation which is addressed by its Quran with the words: "Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of believing people. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise." [Quran9:13-1]

The Nation of honour and respect:

"But honour, power and glory belong to Allah, and to His Messenger (Muhammad- peace be upon him) and to the believers." [Quran 63:8]

"So do not become weak (against your enemy), nor be sad, and you will be*superior ( in victory )if you are indeed (true) believers" [Quran 3:139]

The Nation of Martyrdom; the Nation that desires death more than you desire life:

"Think not of those who are killed in the way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive with their Lord, and they are being provided for. They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them from His bounty and rejoice for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve. They rejoice in a grace and a bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers." [Quran 3:169-171]

The Nation of victory and success that Allah has promised:

"It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad peace be upon him) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it victorious over all other religions even though the Polytheists hate it." [Quran 61:9]

"Allah has decreed that 'Verily it is I and My Messengers who shall be victorious.' Verily Allah is All-Powerful, All-Mighty." [Quran 58:21]

The Islamic Nation that was able to dismiss and destroy the previous evil Empires like yourself; the Nation that rejects your attacks, wishes to remove your evils, and is prepared to fight you. You are well aware that the Islamic Nation, from the very core of its soul, despises your haughtiness and arrogance.

If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice and the goodness, guidance and righteousness that we call them to, then be aware that you will lose this Crusade Bush began, just like the other previous Crusades in which you were humiliated by the hands of the Mujahideen, fleeing to your home in great silence and disgrace. If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.

This is our message to the Americans, as an answer to theirs. Do they now know why we fight them and over which form of ignorance, by the permission of Allah, we shall be victorious?


-Yours truly, Osama Bin Laden Peace out
 

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The biggest Issue I have with Israel isn't religion or race, it s the fact that the US has taken sides in a religious war which has nothing to do with us and has lasted for God knows how long and will only be over when Israel controls all of the Middle East or perishes.



We have embroiled ourselves in a religious war for zero gain. Ill say that again ,ZERO GAIN . SO when I say we shouldn't back Israel, it s not because of religion or race. I can care the less . Its because Im an American and I don't want to waste the time the money the effort or the blood fighting for a religious cause in the middle east which will not benefit us at all.
 

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The first-ever television interview with Osama Bin Ladin was conducted by Peter Arnett in eastern Afghanistan in late March 1997.

ARNETT: Mr. Bin Ladin, you've declared a jihad against the United States. Can you tell us why? And is the jihad directed against the US government or the United States' troops in Arabia? What about US civilians in Arabia or the people of the United States?

BIN LADIN: We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet's Night Travel Land (Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that took place in Qana (in Lebanon). This US government abandoned even humanitarian feelings by these hideous crimes. It transgressed all bounds and behaved in a way not witnessed before by any power or any imperialist power in the world. They should have been considerate that the qibla (Mecca) of the Muslims upheaves the emotion of the entire Muslim World. Due to its subordination to the Jews the arrogance and haughtiness of the US regime has reached, to the extent that they occupied the qibla of the Muslims (Arabia) who are more than a billion in the world today. For this and other acts of aggression and injustice, we have declared jihad against the US, because in our religion it is our duty to make jihad so that God's word is the one exalted to the heights and so that we drive the Americans away from all Muslim countries. As for what you asked whether jihad is directed against US soldiers, the civilians in the land of the Two Holy Places (Saudi Arabia, Mecca and Medina) or against the civilians in America, we have focused our declaration on striking at the soldiers in the country of The Two Holy Places. The country of the Two Holy Places has in our religion a peculiarity of its own over the other Muslim countries. In our religion, it is not permissible for any non-Muslim to stay in our country. Therefore, even though American civilians are not targeted in our plan, they must leave. We do not guarantee their safety, because we are in a society of more than a billion Muslims. A reaction might take place as a result of US government's hitting Muslim civilians and executing more than 600 thousand Muslim children in Iraq by preventing food and medicine from reaching them. So, the US is responsible for any reaction, because it extended its war against troops to civilians. This is what we say. As for what you asked regarding the American people, they are not exonerated from responsibility, because they chose this government and voted for it despite their knowledge of its crimes in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and in other places and its support of its agent regimes who filled our prisons with our best children and scholars. We ask that may God release them.

ARNETT: Mr. Bin Ladin, will the end of the United States' presence in Saudi Arabia, their withdrawal, will that end your call for jihad against the United States and against the US ?

BIN LADIN: The cause of the reaction must be sought and the act that has triggered this reaction must be eliminated. The reaction came as a result of the US aggressive policy towards the entire Muslim world and not just towards the Arabian peninsula. So if the cause that has called for this act comes to an end, this act, in turn, will come to an end. So, the driving-away jihad against the US does not stop with its withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula, but rather it must desist from aggressive intervention against Muslims in the whole world.

Transcript of Osama Bin Ladin interview by Peter Arnett
 

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The biggest Issue I have with Israel isn't religion or race, it s the fact that the US has taken sides in a religious war which has nothing to do with us and has lasted for God knows how long and will only be over when Israel controls all of the Middle East or perishes.
We have embroiled ourselves in a religious war for zero gain.
Ill say that again ,ZERO GAIN . SO when I say we shouldn't back Israel, it s not because of religion or race. I can care the less . Its because Im an American and I don't want to waste the time the money the effort or the blood fighting for a religious cause in the middle east which will not benefit us at all.
Totally false. It's a common misconception to claim that Jews and Islam were feuding for centuries. Jews were defeated by Islam many centuries ago and lived in Muslim countries as conquered people, practicing their own religion and accepting Islam and Sharia law. In fact, the first thing Muslims will tell you is that Jews were not persecuted in Muslim countries as they were in Christian countries throughout history.
Christians were feuding with Islam for centuries. Jews weren't. If you are going to claim that someone was stirring the Muslim pot, it definitely weren't Jews.
In the last four decades Islam became Internationalized and resurrected its quest for world domination. U.S., Russia, India, China are targeted as major world powers and only U.S. is supporting Israel, Russia, India and China never did. It's foolish to believe that Islam is settling some list of grievances. They don't care if we fight them or help them. They want Islam to dominate.
 
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