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Chauvin.. what a POS. I wrote a letter to him asking what sort of training I could take in order to be issued a full carry license and he said "none." Unless I am a LEO or can prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that I have circumstances greater than those of the public at large that necessitates a full carry permit there is no way he will issue a full carry license. Do a quick Google search of him and the top four results are all news reports about shady land deals and corruption. We need to vote him out... in 2025 (sigh.)
 

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It seems that the latest news is that Chauvin decided earlier this year to not allow the same handgun to be registered to both spouses living together. POS indeed.

Does anybody know if Jim Murphy will be taking the process back into county court when he gets elected to replace Jerry Scarano? I am not sure Murphys 2A views, but it seems that it would be surprising if they are worse than Chauvin's.

Credit where it is due - opening up other vendors to teach the required safety course for Saratoga was a good move by Zurlo. Having one vendor dominate the process for years was a denial of rights.
 

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A small step in the right direction from my home county. Glad I transferred my permit to Essex, issued unrestricted right off the bat :)
 

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Chauvin.. what a POS. I wrote a letter to him asking what sort of training I could take in order to be issued a full carry license and he said "none." Unless I am a LEO or can prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that I have circumstances greater than those of the public at large that necessitates a full carry permit there is no way he will issue a full carry license. Do a quick Google search of him and the top four results are all news reports about shady land deals and corruption. We need to vote him out... in 2025 (sigh.)
I hate to say it, but anyone in Saratoga County that has restrictions is wasting their time and money writing letters, taking additional training and jumping through any hoops in an effort to get your restrictions removed at this point in time.
I have even thought of making the request knowing I would be denied and then taking it to court. That is a lot of hassle and cost in the effort of getting restrictions removed.
It is so totally STUPID that there are plenty of Saratoga County residents who have permits without restrictions, and they can have someone living next door to them that absolutely cannot get a permit without having restrictions placed on it.
I know three people that have unrestricted permits simply because of the era when they obtained them. Their permits are as it should be.
I don't know when this restriction thing started or under what judge. Anyone know how long this has been happening and who the judge was that started the snowball rolling down hill?
Another thought. Anyone from a county that gives unrestricted permits can come to Saratoga County and go out to dinner with me carrying their firearm concealed, but I who live in the county cannot sit right next to them with my concealed firearm.
Please, I know the whole argument about concealed is concealed, and it is not against NYS law and I cannot be prosecuted, etc, etc. BUT, the mindless person that issues my permit can take it away at any time. I would like to keep my permit and do not want to be the one testing him on the issue.
I just don't want to take the gamble. See my Sig. line. I'm the guy...........................................
I have a rifle I am putting together right now. It is my "Up your Butt UnSafe act" rifle. Will have some features that we all know are sooooo evil. But it will be legal. However it needs one more 922r compliant part which I am waiting to arrive. Until then it stays in pieces. As slim as it is I do not want to take the chance. I fully expect that if some dumb unknowing head up his ass LEO see's this rifle they will try to arrest me. ( No, I do not think that every LEO fits the description I use so please lets not go there ) When the DA figures out it is NY legal they will dig deeper and try to hang me somehow. That somehow would be 922r compliance. And I will be ready for that attempt as well.
Sorry guys. Guess I just needed a Rant. This permit thing in our county is a very sore topic to me.

Edit: Gotta add this. Was talking to my neighbor last night on the deck with a glass of wine. We were reminiscing
about when we were kids and firearms. When I was 13Y/O I would walk the entire length of town with my .22 to go to the dump to shoot rats. Total distance one way was about 2.5 miles from my house to the dump. This was right up the main street and a couple of side streets. How many 911 calls do you think would go through if I did that today. Not to mention I would probably wind up in a face plant cuffed with weapons drawn on me.
Things are not changing for the better folks.
Rant #2 over.
 

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I know a couple of people in this county with unrestricted permits that were obtained in the early '90's. I've heard that chauvin will issue a woodsman restriction that will graciously allow ccw during hiking and camping. Pathetic. This county sucks.
 

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Chauvin.. what a POS. I wrote a letter to him asking what sort of training I could take in order to be issued a full carry license and he said "none." Unless I am a LEO or can prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that I have circumstances greater than those of the public at large that necessitates a full carry permit there is no way he will issue a full carry license. Do a quick Google search of him and the top four results are all news reports about shady land deals and corruption. We need to vote him out... in 2025 (sigh.)
The thing is he has it bass akwards. All public has the same risk as you or I. You and I have decided to jump through the silly hoops required to protect ourselves from those risks. The rest of the "Public" has the same opportunity. If they elect not to exercise it that is their choice. We should not be infringed because we choose differently from the rest of the Public.
 

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I know a couple of people in this county with unrestricted permits that were obtained in the early '90's. I've heard that chauvin will issue a woodsman restriction that will graciously allow ccw during hiking and camping. Pathetic. This county sucks.
As I mentioned, I know several without restrictions myself. Makes no sense that we can sit next to each other and they can CC and I cannot. Worse yet someone from another county can CC while walking down the street right next to me and I cannot.
Crazy, Just CRAZY!!!!!
 

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I'd also like to know where in the law it says that judges can add restrictions to the concealed carry permit.

As a follow-up, based on the county map, Hamilton county is green, meaning they generally issue unrestricted permits. I live in northwest saratoga county, about 15 minutes from Hamilton county. So if I livrd about 15 minutes away I would be good for the unrestricted permit, but sibce I made the bad choice to live in saratoga it will never happen. This shows how asinine and arbitrary the county by county application of a state law is.
 

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I'd also like to know where in the law it says that judges can add restrictions to the concealed carry permit.

As a follow-up, based on the county map, Hamilton county is green, meaning they generally issue unrestricted permits. I live in northwest saratoga county, about 15 minutes from Hamilton county. So if I livrd about 15 minutes away I would be good for the unrestricted permit, but sibce I made the bad choice to live in saratoga it will never happen. This shows how asinine and arbitrary the county by county application of a state law is.
Restrictions have nothing whatsoever to do with the law.

Not following them is not breaking the law.
 

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In my original post I believe I pointed out that it is not against the law to CC even with restrictions. That has been discussed plenty on the Forum.
I think we all know what the NYS CCW laws say.
I also do not know of anyone who has had their permit revoked because they were reported to the judge for CC with restrictions on their permit.
However, who wants to be the test case? Please, if there are any volunteers in Saratoga county that would be willing to test the waters have at it. Carry your weapon everywhere that it is legal. If you would lke let me know when you go into WalMart or a restaurant. By previous agrement between us I could make an anonymous 911 panic call reporting you. We cold see what would happen. This Judge is so steadfast in his personal belief I would be very surprised if you would retain your permit. Of course we would have to pay off the investigating officer to make sure he informed the judge that you were in a public establishment with your weapon and restricted permit. Fact is, you can probably most often get away with it. However if I am going to CC my sidearm in the same manner I do when in AZ, VT, AK etc. I would like to be able to do it with the comfort of knowing if some dumd ass person happened to see my sidearm and made the call, it would all end up OK in the end. If I am going to CC, then I want to do it completely. Never thinking "oh ****, should I lock it up in the trunk before I enter this store, or should I lock it in the trunk before I stroll down Broadway in Saratoga in the middle of August?".

As far as the right for the judge to put restrictions on your permit, I believe the State legislature gives him that latitude. I have no idea if it is a law or where to find whatever it is that gives him the ability to do it.
I believe other counties place restrictions as well. Do we know which ones do and do they do it uniformly like Saratoga County? Everyone here will get a restriction. Unless of course you are a member of that other class of citizen.
 

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I'd also like to know where in the law it says that judges can add restrictions to the concealed carry permit.

As a follow-up, based on the county map, Hamilton county is green, meaning they generally issue unrestricted permits. I live in northwest saratoga county, about 15 minutes from Hamilton county. So if I livrd about 15 minutes away I would be good for the unrestricted permit, but sibce I made the bad choice to live in saratoga it will never happen. This shows how asinine and arbitrary the county by county application of a state law is.
Of course it is asinine. Go back and read a couple of my examples. Utterly ridiculous!!
Darth lives in the next county west of me. He probably has a normal permit. ( I will not say unrestricted as there is no such animal. Just as there are no "High Capacity"magazines.) He can spend a day with me in my county carrying canceled wherever we go and never worry about it. I, standing right next to him can also CC but I increase the risk factor of losing my permit by doing so. A risk that he does not have to even think about.

OK, I will shut up. Like I said this whole permit thing in Saratoga County just really sets me off!
 

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Chauvin.. what a POS. I wrote a letter to him asking what sort of training I could take in order to be issued a full carry license and he said "none." Unless I am a LEO or can prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that I have circumstances greater than those of the public at large that necessitates a full carry permit there is no way he will issue a full carry license. Do a quick Google search of him and the top four results are all news reports about shady land deals and corruption. We need to vote him out... in 2025 (sigh.)
It takes that long to get rid of a stinky Piece of ****?
 

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Hi guys,

are you allowed, on this forum, to explain to this newbie gun "permittee" (in Saratoga County) what the penalty usually is for carrying concealed with (obviously) no permit to do so?

Am I looking at losing my gun? Being arrested? Do the cops look the other way?
 

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Hi guys,

are you allowed, on this forum, to explain to this newbie gun "permittee" (in Saratoga County) what the penalty usually is for carrying concealed with (obviously) no permit to do so?

Am I looking at losing my gun? Being arrested? Do the cops look the other way?
OK, I am confused. Are you saying that you have no permit at all? If so I don't think you want to go there.
If you have a NYS permit issued in Saratoga County with so called "restrictions", then everything that has been discussed in this thread applies.
No prosecution under the State Penal Code with the possibility of the Judge revoking your permit. No permit = no hand guns.
 

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Hi guys,

are you allowed, on this forum, to explain to this newbie gun "permittee" (in Saratoga County) what the penalty usually is for carrying concealed with (obviously) no permit to do so?

Am I looking at losing my gun? Being arrested? Do the cops look the other way?
DON'T GET CAUGHT. That especially means do NOT tell an officer you are carrying if you get pulled over. Just smile, take your ticket, refuse his request to search if request is made.
 

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OK, I am confused. Are you saying that you have no permit at all? If so I don't think you want to go there.
If you have a NYS permit issued in Saratoga County with so called "restrictions", then everything that has been discussed in this thread applies.
No prosecution under the State Penal Code with the possibility of the Judge revoking your permit. No permit = no hand guns.
I do have the typical permit (hunting/target)- sorry for the confusion! I JUST got it- I was one of the "backlog" people that finally got cleared and set. I've never had more then a speeding ticket in my life, so I was just wondering IF by the off chance I was pulled over, if I should keep my mouth shut or let them know I have it on me- and if the latter applies- would I get arrested and/or gun/permit taken away.

You answered my question though. thank you :D
 
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