[timmy78]

interesting video

debunks the myth full-auto is more deadly than regular semi-auto

 

[meketrefe]

Full auto is an obsolete concept. The concept selective
Fire is far more appropriate and effective.
selective fire and training is way more versatile
And effective than semiauto only.
Anyone claiming the opposite they have no evidence
To support their reasoning.

 

[meketrefe]

And these goons called the AR an assault weapon
So they dont even know the proper terminology
For modern sporting rifles and carbines.

 

[I.N. Rem]

I have to admit the thought of a triple tap for coyotes has some appeal
full auto, wth ya gonna do with that ...??

other than burn up your barrel, that is

 

[DystruktoBoi1]

Semi-auto will always be more accurate and better in a gunfight then full auto in my opinion, British WW2 soldiers used to be able to pin enemy troops down with a handful of bolt action rifles but you are telling me that if I had an AK and a 75 round drum that I'd have to dump the mag out to keep someones head down? You're just lying to me.

I know just from playing paintball that you can keep someones head down with a nice consistent - pop.....pop.....pop.....pop.....pop

 

[Lottagunz]

...so the uninformed non-gun-owning public sees this video, and concludes "See? It's worse than we thought - a semi-auto sporting rifle is even more deadly than an actual assault weapon!"

this is video helps us how...?

Thanks, Penn Jillette, we'll take it from here.

 

[soylentBlue]

I thought it was the bayonet lug and barrel shroud that made the gun more deadly

 

[bdskjchris]

I thought it was the bayonet lug and barrel shroud that made the gun more deadly

no those have no effect, what makes a gun more lethal are the things that go up over your shoulder. the technical term being "death rattle puppyslayer doohicky"

 

[cor_man257]

I have to admit the thought of a triple tap for coyotes has some appeal
full auto, wth ya gonna do with that ...??

other than burn up your barrel, that is

Three round burst doesn't quite work like that. I've seen soldiers try to zero their rifle with a three round burst, the first one went on paper, the second one was a flier on paper, the thrid was off paper. You be still enough to put all your rounds in one hole, let alone inside a quarter at 25meters. The ods of you triple tapping a running coyote... not real high.

 

[I.N. Rem]

aaahhh ..
but that is the purpose...
the in-accuracy may prove beneficial
looking to hit the target , not put 3 holes in the same(moving) spot

 

[Robin]

That's why in a well trained fire team there are those designated as 'riflemen', and those designated as 'automatic riflemen', the best of both worlds. well, it used to be before they put that stupid governor on the AR limiting it to three shot bursts. Don't know what they do these days. Anyone that likes shooting in general would really enjoy shooting a fully automatic gun like an M4, M60 or its equivalent, or the MA Deuce! Its just plain fun!
Robin

 

[dsdmmat]

Full auto is an obsolete concept. The concept selective
Fire is far more appropriate and effective.
selective fire and training is way more versatile
And effective than semiauto only.
Anyone claiming the opposite they have no evidence
To support their reasoning.

Full auto still has a place on the battlefield. We use it to deny access, to supress the enemy and destroy moving targets at long distances. Nothing says keep your head down and don't go that way better than a M240B exept maybe the M2A1.

 

[sixshot6]

Incidentally I have known many former British soldiers tell me of a trick using a match or kitchen foil to make a L1A1 full auto (though not in the open, that stuff got you court marshalled). It didn't work that well. 7.62x51 full auto from a battle rifle is no good. say dsdmmat, what would you say caliber wise is the ideal round for a support machine gun?

 

[Robin]

Well, it usually depends on the situation and ammo supply, but this little nugget is a nice support weapon, especially in wings on high.
Robin

 

[sixshot6]

Ah the mini gun. are those things really $2000 for 30 seconds of fire? I had this talk about it costing the RAF £150000 sterling to destroy two pickups full of ISIS sheet heads. I said there were kids in a rough part of my home town that could destroy trucks for less.

 

[meketrefe]

Full auto still has a place on the battlefield. We use it to deny access, to supress the enemy and destroy moving targets at long distances. Nothing says keep your head down and don't go that way better than a M240B exept maybe the M2A1.

I don't see that issue impacting many firearms owners around the USA any time soon vs a military context.
Yet you see the tactics changing around the machine gun and also how the machine gun is being used.
You see how a gunner trains today and it is very different than 20 years ago. Nice optics, small bursts looking for effectiveness
and efficiency. But this is a different story anyway. And even the main battle rifle doesn't have "full auto" anymore so what is the point of
these goons in the video are comparing with an obsolete gun and obsolete tactics anyway. It is misleading and useless information.
Instead they shoudl compare the sporting rifle with a true assault weapon like the M16A4 shot by someone trained in the proper tactics.
This would conclude that the semiauto is in fact less effective than the military counterpart.

I guess anything goes in youtube.

 

[dwa12479]

This video was originally published in 2011. A lot of political winds have shifted since then.

The "weapons expert" in the video lost all credibility with me at the 5:04 mark with his booger hooker on the bang switch. At least he got the muzzle direction right.

 

[spat]

I've never tried it with a rifle, but with a semi-auto paintball gun you can get a rate of fire higher than many fully auto rifles. I can't think why you wouldn't be able to do the same with a real rifle. Finger fatigue limits the ultimate duration, but unless you've got a belt fed rifle and a trunk of ammo you're ammo will run out long before that happens.

 

[podmonkey]

There is no comparison to full auto fire and pulling a semi auto trigger as fast as possible. Full auto volume of fire is vastly greater. The idea that automatic fire is obsolete is absurd. Short bursts are effective against long range fleeting targets or close range targets that appear before a precise bead can be drawn. Long bursts are usefull for keeping the enemys head down, fixing him in place and robbing him of situational awareness. Full auto fire in 5.56 rifle is quite controllable, paticularly in bursts. 7.62x39 is more difficult but manageable, again in bursts. Full auto 7.62x51 in a rifle is shockingly difficult to control. A 9mm submachine gun gives one the impression of being able to dump a whole mag on target. These are the conclusions I came to after a 3 day live fire weapons familarity excercise intended to provide non infantry troops, artillery in my case, some experience with the broad array of weapons that one might come across in the hands of insurgents or even civilians. The idea being that since a big part of the job over there involved gathering weapons from a wide varietyof sources It might be a good idea to teach us how to recognize, safely handle and clear a wide variety of firearms. Over those 3 days we fired literally dozens of different types of arm across all catagories. It was incredably fun and informative and gave some pretty good insight on the qualities and merits of the worlds tools of battle. The FAL, AK74, and UZI I paticularly liked.