If you dont already know them well enough to be assured that you do not need to have this frank and honest discussion with them you may not be the best person to sign their permit.I think we should also view this question from the point of view of the person supplying the reference. If someone you know...even your best friend asks you to be a reference, you should have a frank and honest discussion before signing on. They have an obligation to you and your "good name" that they fully understand and accept the responsibility of owning/carrying a concealed weapon. They must convince you that they will become proficient with the use of firearms, store them securely, keep them away from children, and be respectful of laws and ordinances that apply to handguns. They must understand they are carrying a deadly weapon..and that its use must only be considered in the "gravest extreme"...where the imminent threat of loss of life to you or another leaves you no recourse or option. Too many folks who have handguns treat the responsibility "too lightly".....we all have an obligation to each other to be sure all handgun owners except "the full resposibility"...frankly we should demand it of everyone..no excuses.
True enough but with this BS requirement of 5 from the county that are not relatives, it can be very tough. It is a big thing to ask of someone. One of the people I asked hates guns and refused. Totally shocked me, been a friend for 20 years. I ended up having to use one person I only knew for a year but this arbitrary requirement to have 5 people be a reference I think is just used to make it harder for people to get permits. Besides, is anyone going to ask someone they think will give a bad reference? Wouldn't a friend probably lie anyway? So what purpose do the references serve except to be a hurdle to make us overcome? If you have a clean record, that should be enough. This requirement is total BS.If you dont already know them well enough to be assured that you do not need to have this frank and honest discussion with them you may not be the best person to sign their permit.
In Onondaga, they mail a form to the reference that must be signed under the penalty of perjury. If they don't send it back, they won't process it. I got a call two months after I thought all the references were in from the Sheriff saying that he still had not submitted it. I jumped on his case and he sent it in. Then I got my permit.i don't think orange calls on your references, when i got my permit- they never contacted my references.
I respectfully disagree...there are many layers of knowledge when it comes to "what you know about someone"...I have many dear friends who have never broached the gun issue with me in any great detail...should that time arise and if they were to inquire about owning a handgun I would be respectful and deliberate on the subject. But , I will concede that I wouldn't even have the conversation if they weren't already a "quality" person in my mind. Thanks for the feedback...I think it helps accent the importance connected to this subject.If you dont already know them well enough to be assured that you do not need to have this frank and honest discussion with them you may not be the best person to sign their permit.
I put down my landlord who happens to be a lawyer, and happened to be CCW (I didn't know), the president of the company I work for now, and a former co-worker, who happened to be a former corrections officer and CC off of her badge (I didn't know that either).i don't think orange calls on your references, when i got my permit- they never contacted my references.