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Here's an interesting new bill that has just been signed by Governor Cuomo. But the shocker is, it's pro-gun.

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EDIT: Changed the thread title to reflect a better understanding of the bill.
 

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If you read the memo of the bill it explains it's purpose better.

A10204 Memo:

BILL NUMBER:A10204

TITLE OF BILL: An act to amend the penal law, in relation to exempting students in gun safety and proficiency courses from certain provisions of law

PURPOSE: To allow for Cornell University students over the age of 21 to take the Introduction to Handgun Safety and Marksmanship course.

SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS: Amends current law subdivision (a) of section 265.20 of the penal law to add a new paragraph 12-a allowing anexemption for any registered student of a higher education institution chartered by the state of New York, who is participating in a course in gun safety and proficiency offered by such institution, under the immediate supervision, guidance, and instruction of a person specified in paragraph seven of subdivision (a).

EXISTING LAW: Existing law allows for a youth exemption for anyone under the age of 21.

JUSTIFICATION: To encourage proper operation of handguns in New York State, a safety and marksmanship course teaches skills to interested students that will aid in safe firearm handling for a lifetime. Asstudents under the age of 21 are already allowed to take these types of courses, exempting older students from restriction will enable them, also, to receive this important training.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY: New bill

FISCAL IMPLICATIONS: None to the state.

EFFECTIVE DATE: This act shall take effect immediately.
 

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I was going to post this earlier until I realized how pointless it is.

It's a step in the right direction but it's so small it doesn't really help anyone. Do you really see colleges in NYS having handgun classes?
 

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I was going to post this earlier until I realized how pointless it is.

It's a step in the right direction but it's so small it doesn't really help anyone. Do you really see colleges in NYS having handgun classes?
Maybe not now, but it could be a foot in the door, so to speak. One day, our fine state could fall in line with the will of the American people and embrace the 2nd Amendment with open arms! Schools all over New York would teach the importance of firearm safety while also promoting an attitude of respect instead of fear.

By then, mankind should master the ability of flight by expelling rainbows through our anuses.
 

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I don't see guns and colleges going together in the same sentence....Will be very surprised if any classes will be offered to the students, hope I am wrong on this.
 

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Good in theory, but as said, you'd never see a handgun course in a university. I hear the Brady campaign has the names of the proposed courses already trademarked:

How to Kill your classmates 101

Psychopath Training 101

Killing Machines and How to Use Them 101
 

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On one hand it is positive in that it's a pro gun bill in. However two things piss me off about it. One being that it's only for Cornell students and two is that Lifton is one of the biggest anti gun senators in Albany yet she sponsors this but only so it affects the people in her district. I'm sure the fact Cornell probably donates big money to her campaign has nothing to do with it.:rant
 

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One being that it's only for Cornell students an
Did you read the part about "any registered student of a higher education institution chartered by the state of New York,"

I am sure it's being proposed because Cornell wants to teach the class, Leandra's Law doesn't only apply to kids names Leandra
 

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Yeah I saw it......so let me correct my post then. It pisses me off it's only for college students.


But it was still created just for Cornell:

PURPOSE: To allow for Cornell University students over the age of 21 to take the Introduction to Handgun Safety and Marksmanship course.
 

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It wasn't created "just" for Cornell. Cornell was the reason it was created.

You could say it created "just" for college students.

It's probably easier to add on "safety course taught by certified instructor" later than to think up justification to get the bill passed with that language in it.
 

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I hope that politicians don't look at this passing and think it's enough. They need to exempt ALL adults from the law when taking a safety class at a minimum.
 

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I took Recreational Shooting in college (considered Phys Ed credits). We shot skeet and trap, and also fired air rifles, .22 rifles, pellet and. 22 pistols. Good ol' FLCC! The instructor was a firearms instructor and retired Sheriff.
 

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Cornell has taught this class since at least mid-90s (I know, I took it) as well as a rifle course. It was one of the hardest PhysEd classes to get into, second probably only to ball room dancing (I am not joking). So while Cornell was the impetus for the amendment, it's clear it would apply to any other NYS university if they so chose to offer it. Cornell has an indoor range on the campus which makes it convenient to offer (in the same building as the campus police); who knows if another eligible school does.

The reasoning put forth for the amendment is sound and really leaves open the question "Why not allow supervised hands-on safety training for any adult"? Maybe the law could have it where each county would designate a list of qualified instructors, like Orange County does for the pistol permit safety classes, and approved ranges. Those lists could be aggregated into a state list.
 

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As someone who is VERY new to gun ownership (Im still waiting for my references before I submit my application) I can totally understand both sides. I think it's ridiculous to me that students in instructor-led safety courses can not handle or shoot a gun w/ safety bullets or something. it's clear this was specifically for Cornell BUT it could be a starting point to opening the conversation for more changes. (20 years from now, lol).
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I did not see anything that said the course had to be held on campus, or that it was required to be worth credits.

:edit: I guess I was wrong since "offered by such institution" would indicate a course sponsored by the school even though it is not held on campus.

Sounds like some of the larger training agencies in NY should put a course curriculum together and start presenting it to schools.
 

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As someone who is VERY new to gun ownership (Im still waiting for my references before I submit my application) I can totally understand both sides. I think it's ridiculous to me that students in instructor-led safety courses can not handle or shoot a gun w/ safety bullets or something. it's clear this was specifically for Cornell BUT it could be a starting point to opening the conversation for more changes. (20 years from now, lol).
What exactly is a positive of not letting EVERY adult handle firearms under supervision?

A step further would be what exactly is the positive of not letting any ADULT handle firearms WITHOUT supervision?
 

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Granted that this wasn't specifically run by the college, but I'm pretty certain I got college credit for my Army ROTC classes at SUNY. Every field exercise and range fire, we went to the local Reserve armory and brought 3+racks of M16A1/A2's and 3 or 4 M60's back to campus. A lot of people learned their basic firearm safety and marksmanship from that.
 

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What exactly is a positive of not letting EVERY adult handle firearms under supervision?

A step further would be what exactly is the positive of not letting any ADULT handle firearms WITHOUT supervision?
When I said I could understand both sides, I was referring to people who believe this is a stepping stone to greater possibilities AND those who think this is a total piece of crock. Personally, I think it is utterly stupid to have a firearm safety course which will not, at the very least, allow the students to handle and/or shoot a handgun. I would totally advocate for provided handguns with dummy rounds (if the concern was insurance) OR live rounds in classrooms where each section of the course is demonstrated and practiced by the students! I even suggested why instructors couldn't use air guns... This way, everyone learns how to load, clean, shoot, store a gun including safety switches, sliding semi's ejecting cartridges/magazines, etc. I had my first safety class today and that's my only gripe. Watching people shoot guns on a video is not adequate training...although you learn a lot, unfortunately, I'll have to take ANOTHER class once I get my license just because I want to make sure I know safety like the back of my hand. AND furthermore, I believe by having the course a requirement BEFORE obtaining your license without a refresher, with lic. taking up to 6 months, people, who are not able to practice their safety rules, will probably forget them. I think the system needs to be changed and I'm willing to fight for that change. sign petitions, and join as many groups as I can and offer suggestions...etc. SO, I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU: adults SHOULD be able to handle firearms...and firearms of ALL kinds.

But in the case of the good and bad of the bill....its stupid but at least there's a tiny slither of hope this could open the dialog and challenges which eventually allow safety students PROPER and MORE ADEQUATE safety training.
 
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