[Cossey]

I disagree. I'm sure this is going to have people coming from both sides to say both viewpoints as well. This has come up before, but where is the law saying it had to be an Evil Rifle before?

I'm simply going by what I have heard many times from various sources, and although it may not be 100% true, I'd much rather cover my ask then risk spending thousands in court.

It is impossible to know how the rifle was configured before the ban. might have been another folder even before the fix stock and noone can tell.
Some could have 7 stocks before the ban one for every day of the week.

Extremely true, but some companies do keep records of how rifles left the factory.

From the link to Olympic Arms that Gunner posted:

"Semiautomatic pistols and rifles assembled after September 13, 1994, and possessing two or more of the features listed in [Section 921 (a) (30), Title 18 U.S.C.] are semiautomatic assault weapons as defined. The fact that the receiver may have been manufactured prior to September 13, 1994, is immaterial to classification of a weapon as a semiautomatic assault weapon. Additionally, payment or non-payment of excise tax is also immaterial to classification of a firearm as a semiautomatic assault weapon." - Edward M. Owen, Jr., Chief of the Firearms Technology Branch of the BATF

Also, later in the article, and this is perhaps the most important, as this is an interpretation from Olympic arms about what Edward Owne said:
"What he's reiterating is, as far as pre-ban and post-ban is concerned, the date of manufacture of the receiver has nothing to do with anything. If your SAW was built into a whole SAW, or in a complete kit form, before Sept. 13, 1994 (The Date), you are the lucky owner of a pre-ban receiver. Notice I say SAW. The existence of firearm alone is not enough - it had to be in a form that would now be illegal to manufacture. If the gun was built after The Date, if the receiver was without all of the parts to make a SAW before The Date, or if it was not in a SAW form before The Date, then it is post-ban."

The fact that this came from a reputable source (a firearms manufacturer, and most of them tend to cover their ass when it comes to legalities), rather than some random dude on the internet

 

[Darthgamer138]

I'm simply going by what I have heard many times from various sources, and although it may not be 100% true, I'd much rather cover my ask then risk spending thousands in court.

Respectable, but I go by the view that FUD needs to stop bing spread. Not saying you are wrong or right, but proof is what we need.

The other info in that post is in regards to the federal AWB. Does that equal the NYS one? Not sure. I've seen nothing saying that it does and with the popularity of Pre-Ban receivers for ARs I tend to think it isn't true.

 

[meketrefe]

I agree many manufacturers keep records of models and their serial numbers.
Then if a rifle was changed from its original configuration by a gunsmith before the ban, it is considered re-manufactured, sometimes loosing the original warranty but granting a new one form the gunsmith for the work performed. If never saw a mini14 with a folder previous the ban that would be one thing but they were actually quite popular for easy carry behind the seat of a pickup truck.
But I agree one must carefully evaluate is this something I really must have and what are the risks of having to hire a good lawyer at some point.

 

[zeroskin]

No one will ship it to NY to avoid anyone putting it on a post ban gun and trying to hold the company liable, your M1 Carbine is a preban rifle, I also have a Universal, it was a 70s reproduction, that too is a preban rifle, to my knowledge you cannot buy an M1 Carbine made after '94 because they stopped making them in the late 70s.

doesnt lbr still make em in long island?

 

[zeroskin]

If never saw a mini14 with a folder previous the ban that would be one thing but they were actually quite popular for easy carry behind the seat of a pickup truck.

or to carry in the back of a big black van with red spoiler and racing stripe, carried by four men over 4 season that never hit a single person

i actualy priced the mini30 with folding stock and could not come near it most are asking 1000 or more for a used (almost beat up ones)

in passing also learned that there ARE some full auto mini around in class 3 collections and on youtube,

 

[legaleagle84]

I agree in terms of the legal principle. But I would urge all to remember this - every criminal law has an element of intent. Here, whether you intentionally, purposefully, negligently, knowingly or reckless violated the law appears to be absent from the law. IMO, this means that the level of intent required is NONE. An example of this would be statutory rape - even if you were shown a fake ID showing 18+, if the person is actually 16, you go down for the crime. Unreasonable? Yes. But, it is the law. Also, ignorance, misinterpretation or misunderstanding of the law is NOT a defense to NY Safe with respect to certain aspects of it. My point is, this is unfortunately one of those situations, again IMO, where it is easier t o ask for permission than beg for forgiveness if you are concerned about being prosecuted and/or strictly compliant. I am sure thousands would disagree - all good - different strokes for different folks. Personally, I would err on the side of caution. I have fired many "AWs" with foldling stocks. Frankly, some of them SUCK (Not ATI or Tapco), but even the better/thicker ones from ATI makefolding the stock in and firing the rifle comfortably difficult. Is the juice worth the squeeze? Maybe. Maybe not.

 

[Carabiner]

Okay, not to hi-jack this thread but in the same vein, different rifle. I've got a 1942 GI M1 carbine with the standard full stock. using the information above, I can put a folding stock on it correct? this would be a current manufacture aftermarket repro folder If so, how come no one will ship a folding stock to NYS?

Since the new law specifies Curios and Relics as over 50 years old, these would be exempt from having to register them as long as the mag you have for it is not over 10 rounds. If you keep the original 15 round mags, then you have to register both the rifle and the mag. Now the fuzzy part is the CR *exempt* vs *assault weapon 1 feature* definitions. The original folding stocks and the bayou mounts for the M1 carbine are relics but technically would make the M1 carbine an assault weapon if either are on the rifle, which could be interpreted as a *must register rifle* even if your mags are 10 rounds or 5 rounds. If you don't care about registering the rifle, as a curios I see no problem with the original folding stocks of the paratrooper (very expensive) as that would be an original configuration especially if an Inland carbine. An aftermarket folding stock IMO is probably a no no. (the folding stock is not a great platform and not stable as the reg. stock)

Mine is an NPM 1943 original fully correct parts and as the early originals does not have the bayo mount. This makes the rifle clear of having to register it as long as I get rid of the original mags (which really pisses me off to be forced to use non-original 10 round mags that degrade originality and performance). So it comes down to this- register or not. FYI the state of NY will anxiously determine how successful their illegal law is in 1 year by closely monitoring how many people register. Why would you want to configure your non assault rifle Curios to help the state with their illegal laws?

 

[Dieter122]

You realize none of this matters now right?

pre94/post94 (but pre2013ban) guns you can slap whatever you want into them long as you possessed them prior to Cuomos law.

Would the govt know u didn't have a folder or one other evil feature prior to Cuomos ban? Nope. No more than they know if you swear under your breath in your basement at home

 

[pseudonymity]

You realize none of this matters now right?

pre94/post94 (but pre2013ban) guns you can slap whatever you want into them long as you possessed them prior to Cuomos law.

+1 to this. Any one feature on a rifle possessed before 1/15 makes it an AW, so one feature or all of them, they are equal now.

On the subject, what is your charge to thread an AR15 muzzle on what used to be a post-ban barrel?

 

[tyranid]

If a C&R has the characteristics listed under the law making it an "Assault Weapon" it has to be registered. Even if you have a C&R because it is personally owned. Or so says the the hotline

 

[MajorD]

Also unless your mini has some other ban feature ( like the old mini 14 gb with flash hider and bayonet lug) the mini 14 is specifically listed as NOT a ban/ need to register gun. No sense it making it one now.

 

[Ruger35]

Register, smegister. I have a pre- ban mini 14 with a folding stock - butler creek with the horrific pistol grip. I also have an ati stock with equally terrifying pistol grip. I plan on getting a wooden stock without all those scary features. My thinking is that in the wooden stock it's not a register required assault weapon - only scary feature would be a magazine.

so pretty much with the mini 14 your talking about registering a piece of plastic- the stock. Stupid, not interested.

 

[GUNSICK1]

Register, smegister. I have a pre- ban mini 14 with a folding stock - butler creek with the horrific pistol grip. I also have an ati stock with equally terrifying pistol grip. I plan on getting a wooden stock without all those scary features. My thinking is that in the wooden stock it's not a register required assault weapon - only scary feature would be a magazine. The stocks can be swapped out in a matter of minutes so ill travel dressed in the wooden stock and throw the fun stocks on at the woods or range.

so pretty much with the mini 14 your talking about registering a piece of plastic- the stock. Stupid, not interested.

OK nice first post. You should read the forum rules!

 

[Ruger35]

OK nice first post. You should read the forum rules!

What I'm referring to is completely legal, think about it. Thank u for the first post compliment.