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The news reported that they had approx. 750 guns turned in, WHAT A STUPID MISTAKE Buffalo has made!

here are my reasons for thinking this gun buyback is a waste and shouldnt be happening! let me know what you think!!!

I will use "BG" for bad guy

Tell me how logical this is, you have scumbag gang bangers and wanna be gangters running around with guns shooting each other, bystanders, children, police and anyone else in their way, WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEM SUCH A EASY WAY OUT TO GET RID OF THE GUNS? The way I see it is that if a "BG" has a gun and wants to get rid of it he has to sell/trade it to another "BG" right? In selling it to another "BG" the gun is still on the streets and has a chance of being found by a police officer! yes, I understand that the gun may be used in crimes if its on the streets, and not turned in at the "gun buy back" however there are so many guns out there that these people have an endless supply! LEAVE THE GUNS ON THE STREETS!!!!!! If a police officer pulls over a "BG" and he has a gun on him maybe they might be able to give closure to a family who lost a loved one, or put a murderer behind bars, AT LEAST SOMEONE IS BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE for having the gun!

Here is a great scenario for you all!

"BG" pulled over for speeding, runs the "BG" license and BOOM warrent and he arrests him! Now its time to tow and inventory of the car.. OHHH look they found a gun. All of the sudden this "BG" knows hes in BIG trouble and decides to "TALK"!!!!! LOOK HOW SIMPLE IT IS....90% of these modern wanna be gangsters roll on eachother....now the police can arrest who sold him the gun, and possibly get their supplier, and then avelanche begins!!! With just this one traffic stop and finding a gun who knows maybe 10 people can be put behind bars!!!!

THE ABOVE is my point of view! the more guns that get turned in the more crimes go unsolved, and the more families will never have closure!!!!!! and one last point---- How about this "BG" shoots a cop, is scared and affraid and now wants to get rid of the gun, "OHH look the mayor is having a gun buy back perfect now i can get rid of it without worrying about it getting back to me!"


THE GUN BUY BACK IS POINTLESS AND SHOULD BE ENDED! sorry for the rant and rave lol what do you guys think?
 

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On another note, if COBIS were still in effect or (god forbid) micro stamping ever passed wouldn't those programs undermine the effectiveness of those as well? Buy a gun, report it stolen, use it in a crime then turn it in to a buyback program to be destroyed and all evidence gone forever....
 

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On another note, if COBIS were still in effect or (god forbid) micro stamping ever passed wouldn't those programs undermine the effectiveness of those as well? Buy a gun, report it stolen, use it in a crime then turn it in to a buyback program to be destroyed and all evidence gone forever....
agreed! but the problem is with pistols if you have to report one stolen or whatever id be willing to bet your permit will get pulled!!!!!
 

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The only problem with your logic is the so called "BG" aren't turning in crime guns. People are turning in old war relics that don't work or people with guns in their house who don't want to deal with them. Such as old widows. At least this is the case in Rochester, Buffalo might be different. Really it's just a way for people to make a quick buck on old worthless guns.
 

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I believe all gun turn in are filmed and specifics noted and would bet money they are numbers run and possible ballistics done off the record and if needed followed up from there..........just my opinion
 

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I believe all gun turn in are filmed and specifics noted and would bet money they are numbers run and possible ballistics done off the record and if needed followed up from there..........just my opinion
absolutely. they are running those guns through every test they have. the cops probably get their pick on what guns they want to take home.
 

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I wish they'd do one of these programs around me again. I've got a pos H&R American revolver I need off my permit that I got from part of an estate. I could use $100.

If you've ever been to one of these it will make you cry. Children and widows of the deceased will bring all kinds of WWII take homes in to be destroyed. 1911's, Garands, Lugers, etc.
 

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The only problem with your logic is the so called "BG" aren't turning in crime guns. People are turning in old war relics that don't work or people with guns in their house who don't want to deal with them. Such as old widows. At least this is the case in Rochester, Buffalo might be different. Really it's just a way for people to make a quick buck on old worthless guns.
yes and no!!!! you would think that the "BG" were not bringing those guns in but you would be suprised!!!!! they prob. got their baby mommas bringing them in!!!!! and yes alot of old folks and antique guns!!!!! id say the majority are from gang bangers
 

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If leaving guns on the streets will increase the chance of a criminal getting arrested while in possession of it wouldn't the next step in your logic be to increase the supply of weapons on the street to further increase the odds?

I think you are very mistaken if you think any BG is turning in a working firearm that could be sold on the street for more than the turn in value.
 

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If leaving guns on the streets will increase the chance of a criminal getting arrested while in possession of it wouldn't the next step in your logic be to increase the supply of weapons on the street to further increase the odds?

I think you are very mistaken if you think any BG is turning in a working firearm that could be sold on the street for more than the turn in value.
So why dont you fill us all in on where you stand on this, do you agree with the buy back?

Hypothetically speaking "you are in a gang, you have a gun that shot an officer in your possession
What are you gonna do with the gun? U gonna give it to one of your friends, or just hold onto it? Or better yet sell it to someone you dont trust and when they get caught with it they snitch on you? Or u could throw it somewhere and hope it doesnt turn up? NOPE ur gonna turn it in at a buyback and get $ for it even though its minimal!
 

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So why dont you fill us all in on where you stand on this, do you agree with the buy back?

Hypothetically speaking "you are in a gang, you have a gun that shot an officer in your possession
What are you gonna do with the gun? U gonna give it to one of your friends, or just hold onto it? Or better yet sell it to someone you dont trust and when they get caught with it they snitch on you? Or u could throw it somewhere and hope it doesnt turn up? NOPE ur gonna turn it in at a buyback and get $ for it even though its minimal!
your assumption is the BG knows the gun killed a LEO and the BG wants to unload the gun.

If Im a gangbanger part of that lifestyle is the perception that Im bad and "I'll kill you". Having the gun gives me that "fear factor" If I want to get rid of it, I would sell it to another kid for $150 and make 50 bucks, not give it to the cops..

as far as getting caught with an illegal weapon, big deal? The first thing lawyers seem to do is plea bargain that away.

as far as someone snitching? simple rebuttal will end that. so what if LaShawn said he bought the gun from me, he hates me and is trying to get me in trouble.....prove it.

Even if I wanted to turn it in to the cops, I would give it to LaShawn's 9 year old sister and have her turn it in. why take the chance
 

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By the way, getting rid of a gun isn't hard. So this idea that they ve been waiting for the buy back program so they can unload is ludicrous.
The other problem is, an active gang banger turning in a gun is like a teenage girl turning in her cellphone, or a cop turning in his "Throw away gun". It doesn't happen. You have "no idea" how these people cling to their guns. You think you love your gun????

Even when they retire, they ll stash the gun in case enemies come knocking for pay back. They don't trust the cops, so they are not walking willy
nilly in there to drop anything. And contrary to what you think, they don't trust baby mamas either.
Now I am going to speak from experience, not negative experience but experience having lived in brownsville and bed stuy. Most of those guns unlike your gun have murders on there, and they know it, so that gun is never leaving their sight, and they know that
too. Believe me at some point, snatching a rival's gun and dropping it at the PO PO station was a common way to get rid of that rival.
Gangbangers would innocently lose guns at the club or a basketball game, and pack up and skip town asap!
If they must get rid of a weapon, it's in the hudson, or if they sell it, it's to another BG, and they do it incognito. There is a reason it's called "a throw away gun".
Also, if you must sell, you ll make more money selling a gun illegally than at a buy back.
Back then they even had gun hubs. People specializing in gun recirculation. That's all they do. This stuff is more organized than you think. The police here are a step behind, but I don't blame them.

The problem here is that people never lived in the ghetto. You don't know gang bangers, you don't know how they live, you don't know how they think. You are imagining stuff to yourself. Plus you are using logic here that they don't abide by. Believe me I know.

And yes, I am sure if you pull a freedom of info request, as it is your government and you are entitled to, you ll see the stats will show it's mostly old widows, family members who turn in useless guns.

The kicker here is that you and GangBangers have that one thing in common: They don't agree with the gun buy back either.

Nice try though
 
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