[NirvanaFan]

I'll pass. With LaPierre making over $900,000 a year, and other execs getting well into the 6 figures, they won't be getting any of my money until they start controlling costs better. I'll stick to SCOPE NY.

 

[NirvanaFan]

Let's not look at the money someone like Babs makes. All the actors and actresses that make MILLIONS that have NO education yet are stumping for O.B. Do you know Taylor Swift makes $52 Million dollars a year, that's $1 Million dollars a WEEK, but we worried about the exec that is making $900.000 a year who is protecting our gun rights, nice soapbox! Maybe we should all look at the issues in this election. O.B. said he wants ALL assualt weapons. Does anyone know what O.B's diffenition of "assualt wepons" are? Not my opinion O.B's fact along with the Brady bunch, all semi auto pistols and shotguns, thats what they say is an "ASSUALT WEOPON!!!

Let's not forget the scum like AROD, Ray Lewis and the like that tell us that the Rebups only care about the rich yet make millions and are supporting O. B. REALLLY!

So yes let's worry tat LaPierre makes $900.000 cause that's the REAL ISSUE HERE!

I don't give a crap what Taylor Swift or Ray Lewis make. I don't give them any money. So, how am I on a soapbox? They actually have talent few people actually have. I'd be willing to bet there are hundreds or thousands of people that could do LaPierre's (or other execs) job just as well. Why on Earth would I give the NRA $50 where OVER HALF is wasted and something like $20 would actually go to doing good when I could donate the same $50 to SCOPE NY where VIRTUALLY ALL of it will actually go to making a difference in NY? I think the choice is obvious.

What exactly has the NRA done for residents of NY? We have an assault weapons ban, can't carry pistols throughout the state (thanks NYC), and some citizens can't even get a carry permit. So, remind me what exactly they have done for NY. There are plenty of national organizations that are fighting for our rights. From what I understand, the NRA was initially against Heller bringing a lawsuit against DC because they feared a loss. It was funded by a private party. Chicago v. McDonald was filed by the Second Amendment Foundation, and the NRA budged in when it looked like we would get a win. I'd rather give my hard earned money to groups that actually fight for my rights, not waste half of it.

The NRA has done (and still does) a lot of good. However, I don't feel like they spend money wisely. THAT is the issue here. You're free to disagree with me, but that's my opinion.

This isn't a Democrat vs. Republican thing. This is a "Who's going to spend my money best" thing. I could care less about who supports the Republicans or Democrats.

 

[NirvanaFan]

It really strikes me as funny what some people get hung up on.... now I really understand the expression of not being able to see the forrest because of the trees....

So you have a fixed amount of money you can afford to give. Pretend you can only give $100. Would you be better off giving it to the NRA where over half of it is wasted, or to the Second Amendment Foundation or Gun Owners of America, where most of it will go towards the cause?

So, you can effectively give $40 to the cause, or $60 (random numbers). Which organization should you be donating to?

 

[NirvanaFan]

kgun, my issue isn't really with LaPierre. It's with the NRA wasting money as a whole. The salaries these guys make was just an example. Less than half the money that is donated is actually used for the goals of the NRA. You're free to donate your money to whichever organization you think deserves it. I'm glad it's the NRA over the Brady Bunch. We're all on the same team here. I do feel there are "better" organizations that do better things with the money though.

 

[NirvanaFan]

It's not the NRA's job to "pull" NY out of this disaster as other free states. If we keep electing the likes of Schumer and Gliderband that's our fault. If were not smart enough to elect people that are progun how the hell is the NRA going to "save" us. We get what we vote for! Again he didn't make any other point than he makes $900,000. My point was we go after the execs in business but have no problem going to see a movie were these silly people make $25 million for a movie or play a sport. If he had another point don't start off with the money a progun guy makes. There are other groups that represent us, but there isn't a anti gun politican that wants to hear there secartary say ______ ______ is here from the NRA to see you.

Schumer and Gilibrand don't make NY laws...

I'm pretty sure SCOPE is about to score a victory against Monroe County. We're NOT a hopeless cause. Sue NYC for violating the "free passage" when traveling through there by plane. Why hasn't the NRA gotten involved in the "judges must issue or deny pistol permits in 6 months" law? That seems like a pretty easy win. Why haven't they found someone to help sue counties when they are denied full carry permits? Why not get involved and try to get our assault weapons banned overturned? There are LOTS of things that could be done.

But it's cool. Keep giving your money to an organization that doesn't help you. I'll continue to give mine to organizations that do a better job of controlling costs and helping New Yorkers.

 

[NirvanaFan]

When is the last time you called, emailed or wrote your local politican in this state and asked them what the stance on guns was...

Actually, it was about 2 months ago. And about 5 months before that. I'm not on a first name basis with them, but I do make my views known.

 

[NirvanaFan]

scopeny.org
nysrpa.org

I joined SCOPE because I can actually see what they are doing (carry in Monroe County parks).

 

[NirvanaFan]

In most cases Wikipedia content is more accurate and detailed than any hard-copy Encyclopedia has ever been in history. Encyclopedias have a tiny number of authors and content/fact-checkers by comparison. Wikipedia has an entire world to keep it in check.

Not to mention Wikipedia can be "up to date," where your encyclopedia's are years or decades old. Wikipedia has an entire world to keep it in check, AND up to date when new facts, research, and theories become available.

 

[NirvanaFan]

hahahahaha...hoooo...that's funny stuff! where do i send my money!

I'll take it and make sure it goes to the cause, minus salaries and other expenses of course.

 

[NirvanaFan]

I too am a life member of the NRA and a annual member of NYSRPA. As was pointed out above, the NRA does a lot for NY, regardless of whether people are actually aware of it. My range has also benefitted from 2 grants for improvements within the past 8 years. Ever participate in an NRA training class? What about an NRA competition? These both take money to develop and keep running. However, to focus on what they do for you within NY is looking at the small picture. Looking at the bigger more important picture, Nationally and Internationally, they are our voice as gun owners. Is the SAF or SCOPE (not that there is anything wrong with either of these organizations) registered at the UN as a NGO? The NRA is and actively participates in trying to protect Americans rights. Why does anybody give 2 craps about what Wayne Lapierre makes? The guy is never home with his family because he is on the road constantly trying to sway politicans and voters in YOUR favor. After reading this thread, it amazes me how many we have on here claiming to be gun owners who care about their rights, yet cannot support the NRA. Whining about your perceived issues with the NRA is a cop out for just being too cheap. Dole out some cash to protect what we all enjoy.

Is your range that got the grant public or private? If private, why are they giving money to private ranges. I'd be irritated if my money went to fund a private range in New Mexico, instead of "fighting the good fight" back home in NY (or nationally). I'm not giving money to organizations to fund range improvements. That's just me though. I'd rather give my money to an organization that uses all of it (minus REASONABLE expenses) to fight for us.

Admittedly, I've never taken an NRA class, or been to a competition. However, don't those classes and competitions have entry fees? Why not charge an extra couple bucks to the people that are competing or taking the class? You know, actually have people pay for things themselves, instead of making everyone else pay for them. I'm not sure how it is with the NRA events, but most other sanctioned events (be it triathlon, marathons, whatever) have higher entry costs because they are associated with a particular organization. Would dropping the NRA sanctioning of events actually reduce costs?

The UN isn't going to do anything to our gun rights. A treaty can NOT take away our second amendment. A lawsuit (by a multitude of organizations) would make it's way to the courts very fast. That is, if it ever got ratified by Congress in the first place. The UN Small Arms Treaty had no chance of actually happening. Frankly, I agree with GOA. I don't think the NRA is hard nosed enough about some issues, which is why I'm looking to join.

Why do I care what LaPierre makes? What if he made $20 million dollars, or roughly 10% of the NRA income? Would you have a problem with what he is making then? Why is your money going to a guys pocket, instead of fighting for your rights?

Either way, what LaPierre makes was just an example. He's the one that took the job, he signed up for the job, so the argument about him not seeing his family is a weak one. Anyways, My issue isn't really with LaPierre and what he makes. I don't blame him for taking the money that is offered. It's with the NRA, and their finances. Nobody has answered my question yet, so I'll ask it again. Why on Earth would I give the NRA $50 where OVER HALF is wasted and something like $20 would actually go to doing good when I could donate the same $50 to SCOPE NY where VIRTUALLY ALL of it will actually go to making a difference in NY?

So all I have to do is join the NRA, and I'm no longer "copping out" or being cheap? That is ridiculous. I have a finite amount I can give. So, no thanks, I'll just spend that money on an organization that doesn't waste half of it.

 

[NirvanaFan]

The News Feed is mostly made of articles from other sites. They may link through NRA-ILA, but they're not really press releases from the NRA.

You had to know you were walking into it with post #67, calling out non-NRA members. It sure seemed like you were looking for an argument or fight with that post. This boils down to which organizations you think deserve your money, and which ones fall in line with your values more. I'm not arguing that the job that the NRA does. However, there are other groups fighting for your rights. Most people can't afford to be members of all the organizations. So, you have to pick which ones you join. I, and many others feel that our money is better spent by other organizations, especially those that don't compromise on our rights.