[comma]

Possibly moving back NY after a decade of living in very gun friendly states. Not familiar with how the laws here have changed in that amount of time. Seems daunting to say the least.

Anyway, just a question on a couple of guns that I can't seem to find a straightforward answer on.

The Mossberg 890 Retrograde series. Are they NY compliant? Are the bayonet lugs ok to have? The only language I can find is that bayonet lugs are not allowed on "non pump" shotguns.

And I was also curious if the Henry AR7 Survival rifle is legal in NY. I don't see why it wouldn't be but figured I would ask since you can break down easily, etc.

Thanks!

 

[Saltwater60]

Possibly moving back NY after a decade of living in very gun friendly states. Not familiar with how the laws here have changed in that amount of time. Seems daunting to say the least.

Anyway, just a question on a couple of guns that I can't seem to find a straightforward answer on.

The Mossberg 890 Retrograde series. Are they NY compliant? Are the bayonet lugs ok to have? The only language I can find is that bayonet lugs are not allowed on "non pump" shotguns.

And I was also curious if the Henry AR7 Survival rifle is legal in NY. I don't see why it wouldn't be but figured I would ask since you can break down easily, etc.

Thanks!

The mossberg seems to be a pumoaction shotgun and if so it’s GTG. Only semi autos can be assault weapons.
The Henry has no assault weapon features either and is GTG.
Here’s the link to what features are banned.

Resources for Gun Owners

Find helpful information and answers to frequently asked questions for gun owners.

gunsafety.ny.gov

If I were you I would change the possibly moving back to NYS into a not a chance in hell of moving back. It’s a disaster here. You look up the Concealed Carry Improvement Act and find out that you’ll need to spend almost $800 to get a pistol permit and you’ll need to have a background check now to get ammo. Don’t come back.

 

[comma]

The mossberg seems to be a pumoaction shotgun and if so it’s GTG. Only semi autos can be assault weapons.
The Henry has no assault weapon features either and is GTG.
Here’s the link to what features are banned.

Resources for Gun Owners

Find helpful information and answers to frequently asked questions for gun owners.

gunsafety.ny.gov

If I were you I would change the possibly moving back to NYS into a not a chance in hell of moving back. It’s a disaster here. You look up the Concealed Carry Improvement Act and find out that you’ll need to spend almost $800 to get a pistol permit and you’ll need to have a background check now to get ammo. Don’t come back.

Thanks for the info and that link. So is that link up to date with the most recent Safe Act stuff?

So no issues with a bayonet lug on a shotgun?
Just having a hard time knowing what to take as the 100% law with all this.

Is there any issues if I own/bought these guns legally where I am now and brought them with me if I moved to NY? Anything I have to do in that scenario?

One of the main reasons I might be moving back is family. Coming back to NY definitely wasn't on my radar!

 

[Saltwater60]

Thanks for the info and that link. So is that link up to date with the most recent Safe Act stuff?

So no issues with a bayonet lug on a shotgun?
Just having a hard time knowing what to take as the 100% law with all this.

Is there any issues if I own/bought these guns legally where I am now and brought them with me if I moved to NY? Anything I have to do in that scenario?

One of the main reasons I might be moving back is family. Coming back to NY definitely wasn't on my radar!

No issue with bayonet lug on a shot gun. Nothing on a pump action shotgun is monitored except 10 rounds is the limit. I’ve never run across a shotgun that’s tube fed over 10 rounds, but I’m sure it’s possible.

As for if that’s the most updated safe act yes, but it was passed in 2013 and many more laws were passed since then and that’s why I said look up the newest laws passed recently.
The main thing is now if you want a semi auto rifle buy it out of state before you come back because you’ll need a license to do it here and you’ll have to get a pistol permit to get that licenses and it’s a mess right now. I guess that could be a grey area because you need a lives se in NYS for any rifle squired after 9/4/2022 but that only a NYS thing and if you acquire it out of state when you’re not a NYS resident I don’t think they can do anything.
No issue with bringing them back or into NYS no matter where you bought them if they are legal. Stick them in your trunk unloaded and drive back to NYS. You’re allowed to do this no problem as long as they are unloaded.
As for coming back I wouldn’t but that’s just me. I’m stuck here for a while so I get it but it’s a mess here with guns, taxes, and the NYS budget. We are spending twice what we take in, our taxes and spending is not sustainable and we will be punished. I highly recommend you do not return.

 

[comma]

No issue with bayonet lug on a shot gun. Nothing on a pump action shotgun is monitored except 10 rounds is the limit. I’ve never run across a shotgun that’s tube fed over 10 rounds, but I’m sure it’s possible.

As for if that’s the most updated safe act yes, but it was passed in 2013 and many more laws were passed since then and that’s why I said look up the newest laws passed recently.
The main thing is now if you want a semi auto rifle buy it out of state before you come back because you’ll need a license to do it here and you’ll have to get a pistol permit to get that licenses and it’s a mess right now. I guess that could be a grey area because you need a lives se in NYS for any rifle squired after 9/4/2022 but that only a NYS thing and if you acquire it out of state when you’re not a NYS resident I don’t think they can do anything.
No issue with bringing them back or into NYS no matter where you bought them if they are legal. Stick them in your trunk unloaded and drive back to NYS. You’re allowed to do this no problem as long as they are unloaded.
As for coming back I wouldn’t but that’s just me. I’m stuck here for a while so I get it but it’s a mess here with guns, taxes, and the NYS budget. We are spending twice what we take in, our taxes and spending is not sustainable and we will be punished. I highly recommend you do not return.

Thanks again.
So...the state doesn't even have the current laws on their site? This is worse than I thought.
How do they expect people, especially people moving to the state, to know what is actually legal?

This is where my confusion stemmed from because some sources say something like the AR7 .22 is totally fine, some say it is classified as a pistol or assault weapon, etc.

Is there anywhere official that explains moving/bringing guns legally bought in another state into NY? I've searched high and low and can't find anything concrete.

If it weren't for family I wouldn't even consider this state. Things seem so much worse than when I left...

 

[Saltwater60]

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Thanks again.
So...the state doesn't even have the current laws on their site? This is worse than I thought.
How do they expect people, especially people moving to the state, to know what is actually legal?

This is where my confusion stemmed from because some sources say something like the AR7 .22 is totally fine, some say it is classified as a pistol or assault weapon, etc.

Is there anywhere official that explains moving/bringing guns legally bought in another state into NY? I've searched high and low and can't find anything concrete.

If it weren't for family I wouldn't even consider this state. Things seem so much worse than when I left...

The Henry AR-7 isn’t a pistol because the barrel is over 16” so it is a rifle. As for being classified as an assault weapon it has none of the features on the list that I sent you unless you modified it. The only question I would or could have is if the overall length is under 26” it could be a short-barreled rifle but that’s a federal tax stamp and I’m almost certain the overall length is above 26” so you’re good to go.
Here are a lot of the rules on new guns laws but certainly not all of them.

Gun Safety in New York State

gunsafety.ny.gov

As for where it says you can just bring legally owned guns into NYS bought in another state why wouldn’t you be able to? I can go to PA, TX, AZ or any other state today and buy a long gun that’s legal in NYS and bring it back and there’s nothing wrong with it at all. I’m a NYS only resident and the rule that says you must take possession of a gun in your home state only apply to pistols. If you are moving to a new state with a pistol you can just bring it to that state if it’s legal there anyway it only applies to buying a new pistol. If that were the case no out of state hunters could come into NYS with their long guns. The law doesn’t state what you can do only what you can not do so you won’t find anything saying you’re allowed to do this or that.
The ATF says you can do it but that’s not NYS law as I think you’re asking about

May a person who is relocating out-of-state move firearms with other household goods? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Yes. A person who lawfully possesses a firearm may transport or ship the firearm interstate when changing their state of residence. If using a moving company, you must notify the mover that firearms are being transported. Certain NFA firearms must have prior approval from ATF before such...

www.atf.gov

If you want to be really careful or sure call and FFL close to where you’re moving back and ship your guns to him and he will transfer them to you in NYS. What I will warn you about is this will not go well for the Henry AR-7 because it is a semi auto rifle and the FFL will do a background check and it will be a new transfer at that point and you will need the new NYS semi auto rifle permit to take back possession of it. IMO you’ll be fine brining that rifle back and there’s no question it’s legal. The semi auto rifle permit is t even in question unless you bought the gun after 9/4/2022 then it’s kind of a grey area legally bringing it to NYS but then again I don’t know what they will do with hunters coming to NYS for a week or two trip with a new rifle they bought lost 9/4/2022 and bringing it to NYS.
Again if the gun is legal in NYS then you can legally bring it here and possess it and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

 

[Saltwater60]

Maybe this will help you feel more comfortable with the Henry AR-7. Cabelas has it for sale and they say it can be shipped to my closest NYS store in Cheektowaga NY. I’m not sure how this will look on your side but that’s what it shows on mine and here’s the link. The web site also clearly states it’s a rifle. I wouldn’t think twice about bringing those two guns to NYS with you as long as they are locked in the trunk/out of reach unloaded. Some say the magazines need to be unloaded as well for the Henry, but I disagree with that as long as the mag is separated from the gun. It’s a grey area so just keep ‘em unloaded and you’re good to go. Also if you have questions there is a state police number you can call for advice but I normally don’t recommend it for citizens of NYS incase you say you own something illegal by mistake but you’re not a NYS resident so try it if you want.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/henry-us-survival-ar-7-semi-auto-rimfire-rifle

Also keep in mind I’m cautious and I follow the laws because my job and family. I know the rules better than most but you get what you pay for with legal advice.

Here is more saying you can bring legally possessed guns into NYS from other states. This is the DEC site so it’s references more for temporary stays related to hunting but it’s the same if you’re moving here.

https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/gunlawqanda2022.pdf

 

[Hickok]

In a few years, The Safe Act will be gone.

 

[Saltwater60]

In a few years, The Safe Act will be gone.

Maybe but we can’t count on that. Also he may move here before that. The guns he’s speaking of are not impacted by the safe act so it’s irrelevant anyway.

 

[Jointlock]

Bear in mind that if you are returning to NYC we have other restrictions the state does not have. I would like to buy a Henry 22LR, but a 5 shot mag tube for 22 practice seems ridiculous.

 

[Saltwater60]

Bear in mind that if you are returning to NYC we have other restrictions the state does not have. I would like to buy a Henry 22LR, but a 5 shot mag tube for 22 practice seems ridiculous.

I can’t believe this hasn’t been challenged. The 7/10 rounds in mags was overturned so why wouldn’t this be?
This poster is correct and I don’t live in NYC so I’m not super familiar with their regs and was telling you NYS regs. In addition the mag rules to possess a long gun in NYC there is a permitting process. I’m hoping the OP is not moving back to NYC area but thanks for bringing that up since he didn’t say NYC I only said NYS regs.

 

[Hickok]

I can’t believe this hasn’t been challenged. The 7/10 rounds in mags was overturned so why wouldn’t this be?
This poster is correct and I don’t live in NYC so I’m not super familiar with their regs and was telling you NYS regs. In addition the mag rules to possess a long gun in NYC there is a permitting process. I’m hoping the OP is not moving back to NYC area but thanks for bringing that up since he didn’t say NYC I only said NYS regs.

Many NYC residents who purchased a rifle/shotgun at gun shops upstate are keeping them outside the city.

 

[comma]

Thanks for all the feedback. I wouldn't be moving to NYC. Probably the greater upstate area

 

[HarleyHutch]

Sorry to say, live outside the state, look for a close tax friendly state and deal with travel time. For example, We live closer to Albany just outside the ADK Park, Our daughter and family live in Buffalo, 4 hrs away. 4 hours can put you in several different states depending where your relatives are. Just saying

 

[Lawful Carry]

Don't Ask
Don't Tell. 🙂

 

[battmigliore]

I think you're starting to understand the frustration here that we have in NY as lawful gun owners and / or hunters. The vast majority of people want to comply and do what is lawful, but there is no list of laws or any clear representation of what is lawful and what is not. It's all hearsay and convoluted (ask 5 police departments if x is legal, you will get 5 different answers), which seems to be on purpose, to make it such that the only way to be 100% sure you're not breaking any law is not not own or use a firearm at all.

 

[Jointlock]

I think you're starting to understand the frustration here that we have in NY as lawful gun owners and / or hunters. The vast majority of people want to comply and do what is lawful, but there is no list of laws or any clear representation of what is lawful and what is not. It's all hearsay and convoluted (ask 5 police departments if x is legal, you will get 5 different answers), which seems to be on purpose, to make it such that the only way to be 100% sure you're not breaking any law is not not own or use a firearm at all.

Well said!

 

[Saltwater60]

I think you're starting to understand the frustration here that we have in NY as lawful gun owners and / or hunters. The vast majority of people want to comply and do what is lawful, but there is no list of laws or any clear representation of what is lawful and what is not. It's all hearsay and convoluted (ask 5 police departments if x is legal, you will get 5 different answers), which seems to be on purpose, to make it such that the only way to be 100% sure you're not breaking any law is not not own or use a firearm at all.

While I agree in some cases did you look at what the guns are? IMO there is nothing at all questionable on these guns. I get when you get into is this mag lock ok or what is permanently affixed by law but I see none of that in this case.

Yes it’s true what you say since my dad and brother are/were both cops and I would ask them just to see what they said on things and it’s amazing what is or can be done. My brother thought for the longest time there was a 30-day grace period for the safe act and there was but he thought it was like for years and even after the registration period ended. Fine and I never corrected him and maybe that’s what the state or DA told them to do to avoid arrests I don’t know.

 

[Hickok]

While I agree in some cases did you look at what the guns are? IMO there is nothing at all questionable on these guns. I get when you get into is this mag lock ok or what is permanently affixed by law but I see none of that in this case.

Yes it’s true what you say since my dad and brother are/were both cops and I would ask them just to see what they said on things and it’s amazing what is or can be done. My brother thought for the longest time there was a 30-day grace period for the safe act and there was but he thought it was like for years and even after the registration period ended. Fine and I never corrected him and maybe that’s what the state or DA told them to do to avoid arrests I don’t know.

Prior To Safe Act, if a Police Officer wanted to purchase a Colt AR-15, we needed a Department Letter to purchase the firearm. Those were marked LE/Gov’t Use Only. If the officer was going to separate from service, all high capacity magazines from personal firearms under the AWB needed to be sold or transferred out of state. I almost bought an AR-15 from a colleague for $400.00 because he couldn’t keep it once he turned in police credentials. With Safe Act, you only show a Police or Peace Officer ID card.

 

[Saltwater60]

Prior To Safe Act, if a Police Officer wanted to purchase a Colt AR-15, we needed a Department Letter to purchase the firearm. Those were marked LE/Gov’t Use Only. If the officer was going to separate from service, all high capacity magazines from personal firearms under the AWB needed to be sold or transferred out of state. I almost bought an AR-15 from a colleague for $400.00 because he couldn’t keep it once he turned in police credentials. With Safe Act, you only show a Police or Peace Officer ID card.

I know many cops that have not been asked to turn in their service weapon “high capacity” magazines. I doubt the guy I know that is retiring soon will be asked to turn in or modify his scary AR-15 either. I could be wrong in that one but I don’t think most departments ask or care anymore at least around me.