appendix carry

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RM08

Discussion Starter · Jul 18, 2012

the other day browsing around the web i came across a guy talking about appendix carry using a crossbreed holster. this was the first time i ever heard someone say they use a crossbreed holster to carry towards the front of their body. i went and grabbed my oldfaithful holster which is the same style as a crossbreed and tried it out. it actually might work for me. the gun also seemed concealed easier than carrying at my normal position of 8 oclock ( left handed) seemed great if i were wearing a tee shirt that wasnt extra loose.

what are your guys, and gals, thoughts on appendix carry? do you carry this way? think its a good/bad method of carry? what about carrying appendix with a crossbreed or something similar? just looking to discuss the topic.

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ECU Pirates

· #2 · Jul 18, 2012

Not a fan of having the muzzle pointed there.

NCNY

· #3 · Jul 18, 2012

Plaxico edition holster?

kennjen

· #4 · Jul 18, 2012

Love it.... for shorter barreled pistols. (Like my usp c) Not so sure about full sized guns. (like my p226) Go see pistol-forum.com for more info. much of the aiwb talk started here I believe.

Aiwb has many benefits. A major negative point is that if you make it a mistake, you may be dead before you get to the phone and call 911.

I don't know if I would be comfortable with a glock or a M&P in an AIWB holster. But, that's why I own USPc and P226. AND... I have trained myself to hold the hammer down while I holster.

Dieter122

· #5 · Jul 18, 2012

I do it with MTACs and CTACs. Sig p230, p239, etc.

NirvanaFan

· #6 · Jul 18, 2012

kennjen said:
I don't know if I would be comfortable with a glock or a M&P in an AIWB holster. But, that's why I own USPc and P226. AND... I have trained myself to hold the hammer down while I holster.

I don't carry appendix, but do have an M&P. I usually just put the gun in the holster when it is not on my body, then put the holster on. There is virtually no chance at a discharge doing it this way.

ScotchMan

· #7 · Jul 18, 2012

I discovered appendix carry several months ago, and have been a devoted follower since. It conceals better, draws faster, someone going for your gun has to come from the front, you can hug your relatives, people don't generally touch you there, the list goes on. It is superior in every way.

I did stop carrying a Glock 26 because I was uncomfortable re-holstering with no hammer or indicator to tell me if something was going on with the trigger. Riding the hammer on my P2000sk resolves that concern. Works similarly on any striker gun with an indicator, like a Ruger SR series or Walther P99/PPS/PPQ. The striker has to protrude from the back, so if you put your thumb there you would be fighting the motion of the trigger with your thumb.

If you are worried about the gun "going off" in a quality holster, I can't help you there. I only worry about the gun when I'm holding it or holstering it. 100% safe using the above method.

Love appendix carry, will never go back to any other way.

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ECU Pirates

· #8 · Jul 18, 2012

To each their own, but does it not violate rule #1? It's pointed right at your leg where a major artery is right?

[]Parents' Guide To Gun Safety []Training Programs []Education & Training Programs [HR][/HR] NRA Gun Safety Rules* Available as a brochure *The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:*
		1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

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Dieter122

· #9 · Jul 18, 2012

+1 to post above

If your afraid your guns going to go off while in a holster , either you have one crappy crappy holster that needs to be pulled from the market or you shouldn't carry until you are comfortable carrying.

Some guys claim they carry Glocks with nothing chambered because their afraid to....
perfect example. Either carry a loaded gun, or don't carry until your comfortable with it.

Read books, watch videos, take a class, hit the range, learn to be 100% confident in handling and carrying...

ScotchMan

· #10 · Jul 18, 2012

ECU Pirates said:
To each their own, but does it not violate rule #1? It's pointed right at your leg where a major artery is right?

[*]Parents' Guide To Gun Safety
[*]Training Programs

Education & Training Programs

[HR][/HR] NRA Gun Safety Rules
Available as a brochure The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

You are violating rules if you carry a loaded gun, period. Even at 3 oclock the muzzle will occasionally sweep something you don't wish to destroy. My view is the rules are extremely important when handling guns, but aren't as applicable when the gun is holstered and being carried.

ScotchMan

· #11 · Jul 18, 2012

Dieter122 said:
+1 to post above

If your afraid your guns going to go off while in a holster , either you have one crappy crappy holster that needs to be pulled from the market or you shouldn't carry until you are comfortable carrying.

Some guys claim they carry Glocks with nothing chambered because their afraid to....
perfect example. Either carry a loaded gun, or don't carry until your comfortable with it.

Read books, watch videos, take a class, hit the range, learn to be 100% confident in handling and carrying...

And to build on that, there is nothing wrong with a gun with redundant safeties, like a Ruger SR series or M&P with manual safety. They are safe to carry without a safety, but have the manual safety as well.

Personally, I feel safer with a hammer-fired gun carried hammer down than I do with a striker-fired gun with a manual safety on, because the laws of physics are on my side (the hammer is down). But I feel very safe carrying a striker as well, given it has an indicator as mentioned in my last post.

ECU Pirates

· #12 · Jul 18, 2012

ScotchMan said:
You are violating rules if you carry a loaded gun, period. Even at 3 oclock the muzzle will occasionally sweep something you don't wish to destroy. My view is the rules are extremely important when handling guns, but aren't as applicable when the gun is holstered and being carried.

Like I said, to each their own. I like to minimize the muzzle sweeping anything as much as possible (including myself) At 3 o'clock I'm usually only muzzle sweeping my dog on occasion. That's why I wouldn't carry in a shoulder holster either. I'm not comfortable having a striker fired gun pointed at my leg (or worse)! I would not do it with a hammer fired gun either but I my discomfort level would be less!

Dieter122

· #13 · Jul 18, 2012

I personally hate manual safeties. That's a whole other topic however.
It's one more thing to fumble with, no matter how well "trained" one thinks they are, under stress try and remember to disengage a safety, find it, then successfully disengage it. No need for a manual safety long as you properly holster a gun and keep your finger off the trigger till your ready to fire.
No amount of manual safeties will save you or take the place of safe gun handling and use.

Anyhow back on topic haha:unhappy:

FishDude

· #14 · Jul 19, 2012

RM08 said:
what are your guys, and gals, thoughts on appendix carry? do you carry this way? think its a good/bad method of carry? what about carrying appendix with a crossbreed or something similar? just looking to discuss the topic.

Just can't get past pointing a gun at "The Boys".

RM08

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jul 19, 2012

i have not tried to carry this way yet but it is something i am interested in possibly trying once i get my new belt later this week. i trust my gun completely and believe i have a good enough holster. some good information here for both sides. i feel with a gun you trust and quality holster it is very safe. the idea of having the gun point at my leg more often or other areas of the body is something that i am skeptical about but will just take some getting used to if i decide to use this as a method of carry at times.

FishDude

· #16 · Jul 19, 2012

Dieter122 said:
If your afraid your guns going to go off while in a holster , either you have one crappy crappy holster that needs to be pulled from the market or you shouldn't carry until you are comfortable carrying..

I am not afraid, I carry everything IWB 3:30. I usually am carrying my Glock 19 and have no worries because it has no external safety.

I train hard & often, But.....

I am human. Humans make mistakes, I prefer to keep the muzzle end pointed away from me at *ALL* times.

FishDude

· #17 · Jul 19, 2012

ScotchMan said:
You are violating rules if you carry a loaded gun, period. Even at 3 oclock the muzzle will occasionally sweep something you don't wish to destroy. My view is the rules are extremely important when handling guns, but aren't as applicable when the gun is holstered and being carried.

I disagree good sir. Muzzle discipline can be maintained when carrying.

Please explain why I will occasionally sweep something?

nessman

· #18 · Jul 19, 2012

For me I find it easier to conceal carrying at 10:00 (left-handed) with a paddle holster - forward cant keeps the barrel away from my manhood. Not ready to go IWB and buy a whole new set of pants 2" bigger (trying to get back in to pants that are 2" smaller!

See my thread here...
http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/carry-conceal/31252-concealed-carry-love-handles-beer-guts.html

Downside is sitting/driving.

RM08

Discussion Starter · #19 · Jul 19, 2012

nessman said:
For me I find it easier to conceal carrying at 10:00 (left-handed) with a paddle holster - forward cant keeps the barrel away from my manhood. Not ready to go IWB and buy a whole new set of pants 2" bigger (trying to get back in to pants that are 2" smaller!

that is also around where my gun was placed when i tested to see if i could carry there with my holster, also with the forward cant which made me feel better about the muzzle being pointed away from my manhood and away from most of my leg.

Tactical Failure

· #20 · Jul 19, 2012

this thread has been an affirmation of my philosophy of carry, especially the valid points made by scotchman (which i won't reiterate in a rare attempt to be succinct). i preach this method, what i refer to as "dick carry" to my construction worker brethren, for all of the reasons listed above. contrary to popular belief, it ain't aimed at your junk unless you're hung like an elephant (in which case you should be in the movies and not wasting time posting here). i have holsters meant to be worn at the typical 5 o'clock position, but have always felt vulnerable using them. i can't see what's going on behind me, i bend over and reach up a lot in my line of work, and am more susceptible to printing in the hind quarters, especially when sitting down. i can carry almost all of my 17 pistols via appendix carry, with the exception of my tec-9 and desert eagle, and feel more "in control" of a situation guarding an area that i've protected all of my life. i read an article on plain-clothes SAS operatives using this method in iraq and their reasoning paralleled mine, specifically the getting attacked from behind part, so i figured i was onto something. as others have said, if you don't feel comfortable with the condition of your pistol then you shouldn't be carrying. viva la dick carry!

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