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Talk about not knowing when to shut your mouth.
Pregnant robber shot and killed fleeing home | New York Post
Pregnant robber shot and killed fleeing home | New York Post
A lesson in how NOT to handle a self-defense shooting.
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How about we worry about that "don't shoot me, I'm pregnant" stuff before we break into people's houses and start pummeling them?
Wow, def not what your supposed to say... give him credit though atleast he is honest. The guys 80 yrs old, back in the day no one would have even questioned if he was right or wrong.
"The lady didn't run as fast as the man, so I shot her in the back twice," Greer told the TV station. "She's dead … but he got away."
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"Miller continued to hit him, McDonnell said, while Adams moved to a safe and begin trying to pry it open."
So you can beat a guy up and break his collar bone while robbing him as long as you yell "I'm pregnant!" When he gets the chance to fight back?
Seems legit.
So you can beat a guy up and break his collar bone while robbing him as long as you yell "I'm pregnant!" When he gets the chance to fight back?
Seems legit.
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80 years old and he can still hit a moving target. Should have shut up and gotten a lawyer, but at his age he might not give a f.
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As a noob, my only two questions are: 1. Would it still be considered self defense if the criminals were fleeing the scene of the crime, unarmed, and you chased them to fire your shots? I could totally be wrong but I thought if the danger is retreating, you call for "back up" since technically the danger to your life is no longer imminent. My second question is, could it definitely be considered self defense because he's been robbed several times, potentially by the same couple? (considered they knew where the safe was)....which could make them repeat offenders?
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I can tell you if I was a robber and thought this would be the outcome of every house I entered,
I would find a different job
I would find a different job
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its funny you posted this as I was going to post a thread on HOW TO HANDLE a self defense shooting this morning. I didnt get around to it yesterday.
as for this situation, these people were probably drug addicts and even though the old timer shouldnt have said a word about it, I can envision him coming out with a gun and the thugs quickly turning and running and him hitting her in the back. they just beat the hell out of him, and probably would have continued so I think its good that the PD didnt immediately jump to charge him. its always a bad thing when you shoot someone in the back (unless they are attacking someone else and you are defending them). I hope the old timers doesnt spend his last days behind bars for defending himself and his home.
as for this situation, these people were probably drug addicts and even though the old timer shouldnt have said a word about it, I can envision him coming out with a gun and the thugs quickly turning and running and him hitting her in the back. they just beat the hell out of him, and probably would have continued so I think its good that the PD didnt immediately jump to charge him. its always a bad thing when you shoot someone in the back (unless they are attacking someone else and you are defending them). I hope the old timers doesnt spend his last days behind bars for defending himself and his home.
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Generally speaking, self-defense ends the moment there is no longer a threat. It is the lawyers who get to define when that moment occurs.
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thatis because the liberal crap state we live in has told you this is the way it should be.
we SHOULD have the right to defend ourselves.
if they were not ROBBING AND BEATING HIM, the ***** would still be alive.
bad people, doing bad things, reap bad results.
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if this happened in the NY, the 'Ol Tom Greer would already be in jail with a $2 million dollar bail.
Have no doubt Mr Greer will be facing murder charges. THIS did happen in anti-gun state Mexifornia AND he pursued them outside and they were no longer a threat to him.
Have no doubt Mr Greer will be facing murder charges. THIS did happen in anti-gun state Mexifornia AND he pursued them outside and they were no longer a threat to him.
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First, let me say I'm all for the old man! The "System" failed him three times, and this time he took action.
Question #1: No, at least not in New York. Question #2: No, being a prior victim does not justify (under the law) shooting a fleeing felon.
If able he could have shot both these slugs while they were inside his home. They had attacked and injured him, they still poised a threat to do more harm to him. When they took off, the threat was no longer there. "I'm pregnant" did not stop her from robbing and hurting someone, she didn't care enough for her own life by committing this crime, why is the unborn child a factor?
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Am I the only one that read the part about the fact that the robbers left his house and the home owner then gave chase, with the fatal shooting occurring outside the home in an adjacent alley as he caught up to the woman? Sure, maybe the fatal hits happened inside the house....I'm good with that. But as I see it by the above posts, some folks here are OK with chasing a criminal out of your house, down the street, and then shooting them in the back as they are running away from you?
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ah, I didnt read that he gave chase outside of the home. i honestly skimmed the article looking for the "meat" of it, but missed that part.
once they left his home/property its not quite the same story(according to the law).
EDIT, it looks like they updated that article in the past 20 minutes... perhaps they added the part about the alley??? I know for certain that when i first read it, the location listed it as "Long Beach" not "Long Beach, Calif". I was thinking this was local.
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I have no problem with what the guy did. But it reminds me of a similar case, it was posted on here, maybe a year ago. Either a woman was being beaten by an ex, or it was a robbery in her home, but she was arrested and convicted because after the perp left her, she got a gun and chased him into a garage and shot and killed him. I have no problem with what she did either. Maybe Dr. Evil remembers the case? Anyway I hope they leave the guy alone.
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How far away do the crooks have to get before you know they won't be coming back to finish you off? Outside of the house into the next alley, they are probably gone for good (well, for that day - they'll probably be back after a few days and kill the old man next time)
But, just because the guy attacking you turns to run - maybe he is just trying to gain position? Get some cover, secure a weapon, and come back?
But, just because the guy attacking you turns to run - maybe he is just trying to gain position? Get some cover, secure a weapon, and come back?
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6' under. Final answer Regis.
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This is really the key here - the danger must be both serious and imminent. I do not think there is any doubt about the danger being serious, but imminent may come into question. Keep in mind that this is an 80 year old man with a broken collarbone - a good argument could probably be made that no complete avenue of retreat was really possible for him if the pair had already compromised his door to break in. An 80 year old person with a broken collarbone is not doing anything with speed and grace.
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