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I am going to pattern 7 different brands out of an 20" 590A1. I will post results if anyone is interested.

From left to right in pic (all 2 3/4 00 buck): PMC reduced recoil, Hornady Critical Defence 8 pellet, Fiocchi nickel plated "high velocity", Winchester Ranger reduced recoil, Winchester military surplus, Nobelsport, and some leftover Rio Royal buck.
 

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what range (distance) are you going to pattern them at?
 

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I would like to see this comparison.

Also are they angled or is the PMC actually smaller then the Rio? I know you said they are all 2-3/4 but they seem to get bigger as they go down the line there.
 

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I will be patterning at 10 yards. I am doing this mainly to select a cheaper HD load. I have been using the Federal and Hornady "flite control wad" stuff but they are rather spendy and I don't need such tight groups at such close range, 10 yards being the absoloute longest shot possible in my home. BTW I will be using The Alabama Swamps range tomorrow or Saturday if anyone would like to come. I have 75 shells total so it will be fun to see how my shoulder does:)
 

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Yes they are all 2/34 and lined up shortest to tallest left to right. The difference in length from brand to brand is interesting isn't it?
 

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Yes they are all 2/34 and lined up shortest to tallest left to right. The differnce in length from brand to brand is intersting isn't it?
Yea I never really noticed that before, must have to do with the wadding, the amount of power and how the BBs are packed.

As an added test maybe you could shoot them in that order and see if there is a trend in the longer shells making a larger pattern and what I would assume is a more tightly packed load in the shorter shells making a smaller pattern, or perhaps the opposite.
 
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A few years ago I discovered the "Holy Grail" of 12-Gauge Buckshot.
Federal Premium with Flitecontrol wad.

This ammunition will keep all 9-pellets on an IDPA target at 40-yards.
 

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A few years ago I discovered the "Holy Grail" of 12-Gauge Buckshot.
Federal Premium with Flitecontrol wad.

This ammunition will keep all 9-pellets on an IDPA target at 40-yards.
Is that from a 18.5 inch tube?
 

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9 pellets at 40 yards ??? I gotta see that one.....:eek:
 

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I sacrificed $5 of shells ( I must be freaking crazy!) to get an idea of their construction and relative merits:

Hornady: 8 soft lead unbuffered pellets in "versitite (flite control) wad. Expect tightest group with this one
Win. Ranger: 9 hardened lead buffered pellets with plastic shotcup.
Win. Surplus: 9 soft lead buffered pellets over 2 fiber wads.
Nobelsport: 12(!) soft lead pellets over plastic wad, no shot cup. Expect largest group and heavy recoil

Remaing 3 loads to follow.
 

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okay final 3 loads

Fiocchi: 9 nickel plated unbuffered pellets in plast shotcup wad. Pellets are undersized more like 0 buck than the listed 00 buck
Rio Royal: 9 soft lead pellets pellts over bulky plastic wad (cut in half during removal) no shotcup.
PMC: 9 soft lead pellets over 1 thick fiber wad. Some pellets were deformed.

Well there you have it. I think the Ranger and Fiocchi loads will pattern fairly well.
As for the mentioned Federal load, I have patterned this load before as well as the Hornady load and found that they both produce nice tight groups at ranges beyond what you would expect of buckshot. But remember the goal here is close range performance on the cheap! The Federal and Hornady loads are both over $1 per shell. The next most expensive load is the Ranger at about .75 a round and the others are about .60 a round with the Rio coming in at about .55 a shot! Though I know from experience that the Rio cartridge patterns wide and recoils heavier than most.
 

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Looking forward to the results - take pics!
 

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Ask and ye shall receive! Even took the pics with a real camera instead of my crappy phone cam.
So here is the test format: I took 14 shots twice with each cartridge at the targets at 10 yards (ran out of targets for the pmc loads so I used some boxes) and took pictures of the best of the two groups. I also ran a full tube in rapid fire to test for cycling function. No real suprises in the results except mabye the Rio Royal Buck.
Final pics and my observations to follow.
 

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Final 3 groups plus the launch platform. As predicted the Hornady load grouped tightest and the Noblesport had the largest group and also the stiffest recoil akin to a 3'' shell. The recoil of the Hornady load though listed at a speedy 1600 fps was quite pleasant to shoot, almost as soft as the reduced recoil loads, that 1 missing pellet makes a real difference! The Nobelsport hung up on every round I tried to feed sometimes forcing me to drop a live round out the port to feed the next, that combined with the heavy recoil and the large donut pattern means that this round is a strict no-go for me, your milage may vary though. The PMC was a soft shooter and also quite cheap though neither pattern had any shot at the center. The Win. Surplus stuff didn't fare much better and at about .95 a shot (as I paid for it) isn't really a great deal but it does look cool as hell in a side saddle or buttcuff with its olive drab hull and blacked out brass.
The Fiocchi load was kind of odd, recoil was typical of 00 buck and exhibited very symetrical patterns as you see in the pic in the previous post. It was a cheap load also, the same as the PMC at .65 a shot but again put fairly little shot in the center.
The Rio Royal Buck suprised me with a largish yet decently even pattern. The length of the shells mean that I lost a round in capacity but it was the value pick of the bunch, this stuff is damn cheap and easy to find. Finally my favorite of the bunch, the Winchester Ranger Reduced Recoil did not produce the smallest group but both were very even and consistent in pattern density and easy on the shoulder too. Not the cheapest at about .75 a round but the cartidges seem well made and in my opinion offer good value. You get what you pay for and I am going to pay for some more Ranger:)

Now any of these loads (exept the Nobelsport for me) will get the job done for HD purposes so feel free to draw your own conclusions. And one other thing, mall ninjaness be damned! after burning the absoloute hell outta my hands and arms multiple times I am seriously considering a heatshield (there is a company that makes one to fit the heavy barreled 590A1).
 

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Podmonkey, I picked up some PMC Reduced Recoil 00 and Fiocchi HV00BK and test fired a few rounds today. I noticed the PMC had noticeably more recoil then the Fiocchi. The Fiocchi is not the "reduced recoil" load. Did you notice any difference in recoil between the two?
 
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