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    I'm looking for a facility in either Broome or Tioga county that has both indoor and outdoor ranges. The only ones I've found so far are Broome County Sportsmen Assoc. and Tioga County Sportsmen Assoc. I'm more interested in TCSA because it's a little closer to my house and less expensive ($119 vs. $40). Is anyone a member at either place? How are the facilities, etc.?

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    Oooh, I know this one! ;D

    I am a member at Tioga and a member at Square Deal Sportsmen (http://www.squaredealsportsmen.com/).

    Tioga is OK. They have an indoor pistol range. During the winter, it's open like one day a week for like 3 hours. No FMJ or JHP ammo. Their outdoor ranges are OK. I didn't hate it, but it isn't great. A lot of *******s shoot there and leave crap all over the place. The range gets cleaned up a few times during the summer, and never during the winter. You will find junk strewn all over the range. People just bring and shoot whatever, because there isn't really any supervision. The range cover and benches get all shot up, and I left more than once due to people being extremely unsafe. (Shooting while you are downrange, sweeping the whole line with a loaded rifle and finger on the trigger, etc...)

    Rifle range is 100 meters, Pistol is 50, and they have a rimfire range. Extremely cold in the winter, as it's on the top of the hill, and the wind blows constantly. Expect it to be at least 20 degrees colder than where you came from.

    Actually, I think my Tioga membership expired, and I won't be renewing.

    Square Deal is on RT 26 just past East Maine Road and Timber Creek sporting goods. It's a dirt drive that goes about half a mile back, up a hill and into the woods. They have a 300 meter rifle range, and several pistol pits, many of which are set up for IDPA and such. 3 are open for members to use anytime, 4 are reserved. The rifle range is very wide, has many benches with chairs for shooting, and is paved under the cover for ease of picking up brass after shooting. (Just bring a broom, works well for me!) They also have trails and hunting land for members. Was $60 for the first year, and I think about $45 or $50 a year after that.

    I really enjoy shooting at the Square Deal range. It's cleaner, people seem to have more respect for the range, and I rarely even have to share a pistol pit with anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JStarX7
    Tioga is OK. They have an indoor pistol range. During the winter, it's open like one day a week for like 3 hours. No FMJ or JHP ammo. Their outdoor ranges are OK. I didn't hate it, but it isn't great. A lot of *******s shoot there and leave crap all over the place. The range gets cleaned up a few times during the summer, and never during the winter. You will find junk strewn all over the range. People just bring and shoot whatever, because there isn't really any supervision. The range cover and benches get all shot up, and I left more than once due to people being extremely unsafe. (Shooting while you are downrange, sweeping the whole line with a loaded rifle and finger on the trigger, etc...)
    JStar, when are you going to TCSA that you are running into this? I rarely even see anybody else up there when I go, particularly at the pistol range. I don't think I've ever had to share the pistol range with more than one other member at a time. Usually when I go there might be one or two guys at the rifle range and the pistol range is deserted. It's kind of nice because I can walk out to hang new targets whenever I want and practice clearing drills without annoying anybody. The few times I have had to share it with someone else they've never made me feel unsafe or done anything obnoxious.

    The only "incident" I've ever had at TCSA was when another member started giving me grief over the fact that I wasn't driving an American car. I pointed out that the Glock hanging off his waist wasn't made in America either and his response was "That's different!" Yeah, sure it is buddy :

    I didn't know Square Deal had such nice facilities. I joined TCSA because I live in West Corners and it's a nice drive down Day Hollow Road. I might be interested in checking out Square Deal for the winter though. I haven't done any winter shooting at TCSA yet but I could see how it'd be pretty nasty up on the hill. Do they have an indoor range at Square Deal?
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    You probably live within a mile of my house, lol.

    I've been to Tioga several times and had tons of unsafe people there. I posted about it before too. In the summer, range people keep it fairly clean, but man it builds up over the winter. Not to mention the ground at the rifle range is covered in spent casings year round. I guess I just pick bad times to go, but I try to pick times when people are at work or not likely to show up.

    Square deal has been nice. Nobody using the pits when I am, and the people on the range have been nice. Everything is fairly picked up (although there are some idiots who still can't clean up after themselves...)
    I pointed out that the Glock hanging off his waist wasn't made in America either and his response was "That's different!" Yeah, sure it is buddy
    Haha, somebody at Square deal was busting his pal's ass about having a foreign car and foreign gun (he had a Glock) and pointed me out as a good example, since I drive a Jeep and was wearing an XD. I was like, uh, dude, made in Croatia, sorry. ;D
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    I usually go to Tioga after work during the week, usually around 6pm to 7pm. Very rarely run into anybody else at that time. Even when I go on the weekend I've never had to share the pistol range with more than one person. I haven't yet been up there during the winter months though so I guess I'll see how it goes.

    I do recall reading your story about running into all the folks on the rifle range who weren't even members. I think I would have reported that. I've brought guests there before (family members from out of town) but never more than one at a time and never anybody that I thought would behave obnoxiously.

    I like the concept that some ranges have adopted where your membership might cost $150/yr unless you volunteer to help out with a few clean-up days. If you do that they reduce your rate by half or more. Anybody willing to pitch in and help out probably isn't going to be one of the jerks that abuses the place. Everybody else can either pay the higher rate or go somewhere else.
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    I've been up to Square Deal before. I took advantage of their open sight-in days. I guess I was just looking for someplace that had an indoor range. The weather around here is terrible, so you can't shoot outside for like 6 months out of the year. If TCSA only has their indoor open one day a week during the winter, that won't work. I want to shoot when it's convenient for me.

    BTW, I actually live in West Corners. I just put Binghamton in my profile since more people are familiar with that. Sounds like we all live in the same general vicinity.


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    The weather around here is terrible, so you can't shoot outside for like 6 months out of the year.
    What? You don't own a winter coat and some gloves?

    I actually like shooting in the winter. You just need to invest in some good cold weather shooting gloves, a balaclava, and thermal underwear.
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    I guess all the Broome County gun nuts live in the Endicott area ;D

    Mich, I don't know anything about them, but when I got into the shooting sports I looked at the Binghamton Rifle Club. They have a 24/7 indoor facility with keycode access. It's a bit of a hike from West Corners (which is the main reason I didn't join) but perhaps it's worth it to you. They are located on Conklin Road right outside of the Binghamton city limits.

    If you wind up joining let us know what you think of the place. I'm a bit of a night owl by nature and the ability to fire off a few rounds at 3am appeals to me. I would have wound up joining if I hadn't found TCSA which had the virtue of being closer to home and cheaper to join.
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    HMMM - for someone to be speaking so negatively about Tioga makes me wonder if he is part of the problem. Did you ever volunteer to
    help clean up - ever go to a club meeting and voice your concerns and/or offer some help? As long as A-holes keep bringing garbage to
    shoot and don't take it home there is going to be these problems. The problem is that to many people think that just because they pay a
    membership fee that includes a personal janitorial service as well. I've been doing alot of work and clean-up there this summer and I know first hand of all the sh** left behind. Did you ever question any shooter when they leave about picking up after themselves. Propably not,
    if not then your know better than the rest. Members SHOULD give 2 ****s about their club and facilities - but most don't.

    And if you think Square Deal is a better facility - by all means please stay up there and enjoy.

    Mich - you can't go wrong with Tioga or Broome - they both have positives & negatives - Square Deal - nice rifle range, other than that
    it's a dump - has potential - but I doubt it'll ever get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1jocko
    HMMM - for someone to be speaking so negatively about Tioga makes me wonder if he is part of the problem. Did you ever volunteer to
    help clean up - ever go to a club meeting and voice your concerns and/or offer some help? As long as A-holes keep bringing garbage to
    shoot and don't take it home there is going to be these problems. The problem is that to many people think that just because they pay a
    membership fee that includes a personal janitorial service as well. I've been doing alot of work and clean-up there this summer and I know first hand of all the sh** left behind. Did you ever question any shooter when they leave about picking up after themselves. Propably not,
    if not then your know better than the rest. Members SHOULD give 2 ****s about their club and facilities - but most don't.

    And if you think Square Deal is a better facility - by all means please stay up there and enjoy.

    Mich - you can't go wrong with Tioga or Broome - they both have positives & negatives - Square Deal - nice rifle range, other than that
    it's a dump - has potential - but I doubt it'll ever get there.
    Wow, way to make friends with your first post! Great way to ASSume. :-*
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    Quote Originally Posted by m1jocko
    HMMM - for someone to be speaking so negatively about Tioga makes me wonder if he is part of the problem. Did you ever volunteer to
    help clean up - ever go to a club meeting and voice your concerns and/or offer some help? As long as A-holes keep bringing garbage to
    shoot and don't take it home there is going to be these problems. The problem is that to many people think that just because they pay a
    membership fee that includes a personal janitorial service as well. I've been doing alot of work and clean-up there this summer and I know first hand of all the sh** left behind. Did you ever question any shooter when they leave about picking up after themselves. Propably not,
    if not then your know better than the rest. Members SHOULD give 2 ****s about their club and facilities - but most don't.

    And if you think Square Deal is a better facility - by all means please stay up there and enjoy.

    Mich - you can't go wrong with Tioga or Broome - they both have positives & negatives - Square Deal - nice rifle range, other than that
    it's a dump - has potential - but I doubt it'll ever get there.
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    I used to shoot at TCSA for about 2 years when i lived on the west side of Binghamton. I can def. vouch for how cold it gets during the winter. Its brutal up on that hill! I dont think i ever had a bad experience there though, other than the old timers busting my balls for shooting a AR or AK.

    Now i shoot at my parents house out in Harpursville, mainly because its right down the road from me.

    Maybe all of us Broome/Tioga guys should get together for a range day sometime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devitor
    Maybe all of us Broome/Tioga guys should get together for a range day sometime?
    I'd be up for that. I don't do anything other than pistol yet but that will change soon.
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    This thread has really bothered me since I first read it. I really hate it when any club gets bashed.

    The club is what you make of it. If you see something going on that you don't agree with, say something or report it!! The clubs belong to the members. It is what we make of it. There are around 2000 members between TCSA & BCSA, a couple dozen board members and even less that volunteer their time to do the upkeep. I have attended meetings at both clubs and rarely see any other members there.

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    Let's not bash the clubs, let's do all we can to improve them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by isledweller
    This thread has really bothered me since I first read it. I really hate it when any club gets bashed.
    Nobody is bashing. I gave my opinion. I'm sorry if some people can't deal with a negative opinion of thier favorite range. Go to Tioga in the winter and tell me if the range isn't all junked up with stuff people shot up and left there. Tell me the ground isn't paved with spent casings.

    The club is what you make of it. If you see something going on that you don't agree with, say something or report it!! The clubs belong to the members. It is what we make of it. There are around 2000 members between TCSA & BCSA, a couple dozen board members and even less that volunteer their time to do the upkeep. I have attended meetings at both clubs and rarely see any other members there.

    See something you don't like -- Say something
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    Let's not bash the clubs, let's do all we can to improve them!
    Why do so many people assume things? DO you think I never said anything to people who are being unsafe? (And email the club to let them know about it) DO you think that I do not clean up? (After other people as well.)

    You have a great ra-ra speech, but it's wasted on the people who do actually try to keep things clean and safe.

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    JStarX7 I have no problem with your opinion and totally understand what you're saying about people being slobs.

    I just think we need to be the enforcers. There is not enough volunteers to be there all the time. We need to do what we can ourselves and not rely on others. We pay a very small fee to use these ranges. I have heard of some places that charge very high fees, but also have full time RO's. That is not what I want! I enjoy the small time feel and have no problem telling someone to pickup after themselves or bend down and pick stuff up on my own (even though I would rather not). We're on the same page we just need the others to join us!

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