Going For My Permit In Orange County

**kflo01** · 12-02-2010, 02:36 PM

I am going for my pistol permit in Orange County. I applied for Full carry. Here are some details about my and the application just wondering what my chances were.

1) My 4 references are my girlfriend, a ex, a friend of mine who has had his full carry for about 15 years now and a sgt from the orange couty sheriffs department thatI went to school with and known 20+ years.

2) I have a misdemeanor from 1997 which resulted in a fine.

3) I currently own long guns now and am looking for employment as a armed security (I put this in my letter)

All the people who worked in the pistol permit processing office know my friend. I have nothing else 'unusual' to note good nor bad.

Do you you think I will run into problems or it will be sped up any based off the above?

**Tim1** · 12-02-2010, 03:41 PM

I can't comment on your chances (Orange County is yellow on our permit map, for what that's worth) but I would tell you that you'd better trust that ex of yours you are using as a reference. We had another member around here that got hosed when they used an ex-SO as a reference that person decided to be vengeful about their breakup....

Not sure about the wisdom of using your current GF either, perhaps others can chime in on whether or not that's a good or bad idea.

**RRH44** · 12-04-2010, 05:38 PM

I agree with iaverial, an ex is a risky proposition.

I also recently filed in OC. I was informed you can't use police officers, including Sheriff Department employee's or gun shop owners. Let us know if that is true or just a rumor.

**kflo01** · 12-04-2010, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by RRH44

I agree with iaverial, an ex is a risky proposition.

I also recently filed in OC. I was informed you can't use police officers, including Sheriff Department employee's or gun shop owners. Let us know if that is true or just a rumor.

Will do. They did seem to say anything. I know you can use instructors or family. That is whats written. Nothing else in writing about what you cant use. OH BTW I put my down payment on my gun today. Getting this:

Ruger P-Series P95 Centerfire Pistol Models in stainless.

I drop everything off Wednesday so I will post what happens when I get back.

**LeftHook05** · 12-04-2010, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by RRH44

I also recently filed in OC. I was informed you can't use police officers, including Sheriff Department employee's or gun shop owners. Let us know if that is true or just a rumor.

Rumor. I used 2 Police Officers.

5.) The 4 character references must not be related to you or related to each other, do not use gun dealers or safety course instructors as references. All must be OC residents.

**Tifosi** · 12-05-2010, 12:05 AM

I keep hearing from LEOs that using a LEO is a bad idea, though I did it myself.
I keep wanting to ask them if its because they can't be trusted or something......

**fatmax2** · 12-05-2010, 08:54 AM

Be honest with information, think positive and you should be fine. I know several people that went for the Oneida Co. Permit with a "bad choice" in their history and came out of the process with their permit.

**kflo01** · 12-05-2010, 10:24 AM

fatmax2 thanks man.

**Socom 16** · 12-05-2010, 01:09 PM

Only thing i would be concerned about is the Ex & LEO... Here we can not use a LEO, Thats what I was told... as for the Ex... No comment.. BUT, Be honest, and fill every thing out, don't skip a thing...

**DJ686G** · 12-05-2010, 02:12 PM

The OC Sheriffs Dept is good, they usually are very helpful. I did not see anything about LEO not being used but ask to avoid delays or confusion.

**Mcrrt** · 12-05-2010, 11:08 PM

Our Judges here in Orange County are very strict when it comes to handing out Full Carry Permits. I have a friend who applied not too long ago for a pistol permit as he was getting hired by a armor car company. He got a carry for only when he is at work, hunting or a bonafide target shooting. By the way, all four references were law enforcement. If the pistol permit unit passes you on the background check, it is the Judge who will interview you in person to see if your wish will be granted. Good luck, just dont get your hope up too much.

**RRH44** · 12-05-2010, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by kflo01

Will do. They did seem to say anything. I know you can use instructors or family. That is whats written. Nothing else in writing about what you cant use. OH BTW I put my down payment on my gun today. Getting this:

Ruger P-Series P95 Centerfire Pistol Models in stainless.

I drop everything off Wednesday so I will post what happens when I get back.

IMHO, good choice I am a big Ruger fan. My wife is also filing and she will get an LCP and I will eventually get a Super Redhawk for hunting. Currently have a Ruger 12 ga Trap model and a 10/22.

**Heuy** · 12-05-2010, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by RRH44

I also recently filed in OC. I was informed you can't use police officers, including Sheriff Department employee's or gun shop owners. Let us know if that is true or just a rumor.

The application instructions for Orange County (Rev. 1/05) states "Four (4) references are required, unrelated to you and unrelated to each other and who are residents of Orange County. DO NOT USE GUN DEALERS OR SAFETY COURSE INSTRUCTORS AS REFERENCES".

**LeftHook05** · 12-06-2010, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Mcrrt

Our Judges here in Orange County are very strict when it comes to handing out Full Carry Permits. I have a friend who applied not too long ago for a pistol permit as he was getting hired by a armor car company. He got a carry for only when he is at work, hunting or a bonafide target shooting. By the way, all four references were law enforcement. If the pistol permit unit passes you on the background check, it is the Judge who will interview you in person to see if your wish will be granted. Good luck, just dont get your hope up too much.

This process also depends on where you live in Orange County (which will determine your issuing judge). If you are in

...Towns of Goshen, Warwick, Tuxedo, City of Port Jervis, West Point Military Academy and the City and Town of Newburgh...

you will be asked to write a letter to go with your application in regards to why you are asking for a "full" carry. If you choose not to write the letter, they will slap the restrictions on your license. The only thing I can't comment on is if they will give you a "full" carry without any type of formal training. I would think that the whole point of the letter is to point out that you have been proven competent with a handgun and that you also understand the surrounding laws. I'm not sure if a "but pretty pretty pleasssssse" letter will work.

**kflo01** · 12-06-2010, 10:46 AM

LeftHook05
In the letter I wrote to the judge I stated I was a former SP in the military so I do have training with firearms in the past....even though that was long ago and that I have owned long guns for the past 4 years so I the responsibility that comes with having a firearm and I know how to use it.
I also stated I would like to be gainfully employed as a armed security guard and that I am willing to continue my education in firearms training.

If I get it at all and get restricted I would take a course or 2 in the first year (combat handgun or something like that, self defense with a handgun or whatever) then go back to the judge to try to get it changed to unrestricted showing I completed more training on carrying and using a handgun and also going a full year showing that I have the permit and used it properly.

**ladder13** · 12-07-2010, 12:24 AM

This is totally ridiculous, jockeying for what we should have by right. Everything is just arbirtrary in this State, we need to FIGHT for uniform(shall issue) handling of pistol licenses. Begging for our rights are unacceptable.

**LeftHook05** · 12-07-2010, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by kflo01

In the letter I wrote to the judge I stated I was a former SP in the military so I do have training with firearms in the past....even though that was long ago and that I have owned long guns for the past 4 years so I the responsibility that comes with having a firearm and I know how to use it.
I also stated I would like to be gainfully employed as a armed security guard and that I am willing to continue my education in firearms training.

In my opinion the military experience, firearm ownership and employment should be more than enough but, again, I haven't ever heard about what they specifically look for in the letter and I couldn't get anyone from the Pistol Permit Department to tell me either. Make sure you let us know about how it goes when you hear something back.

**kflo01** · 12-07-2010, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by LeftHook05

In my opinion the military experience, firearm ownership and employment should be more than enough but, again, I haven't ever heard about what they specifically look for in the letter and I couldn't get anyone from the Pistol Permit Department to tell me either. Make sure you let us know about how it goes when you hear something back.

I def will. I am dropping my stuff off tomorrow will post when i return home.
Also My judge (based off my city) is Judge Freehill. I spoke to a friend of mine who had/has him and he said that Judge Freehill is a great judge and person and very understanding/pro-firearm. So we will see.

**kflo01** · 12-08-2010, 01:33 PM

OK guys I just got back from handing everything in. Took about 40 minutes but only because I had my friend who is a Sgt there come out notarize my 4th reference card and stuff.
Actually meeting with the pistol permit people took about 25 minutes, all he does is make sure all your paperwork is in order, that all your stuff if filled out correctly and signed and notarized. He goes thru the checklist (same checklist you get when you pick up the app).

After looking over all your documents he pulls out a appointment book and sets your interview date. Mine is set for the first week in Jan.

Also here is a pretty good link for you Orange county guys. Alittle dated but a good read.

http://www.ocshooters.com/Hand/ploc.htm

**LeftHook05** · 12-08-2010, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by kflo01

After looking over all your documents he pulls out a appointment book and sets your interview date. Mine is set for the first week in Jan.

Interview with the investigator or interview with the judge? When I dropped off my final application they asked me if I had time for an "interview" (which I said yes) but all they did was go over my info on the application to make sure it was correct and verified that I was employed. They must really be backed up with applications or just ran out of time if they aren't doing them on-the-spot now.

**kflo01** · 12-09-2010, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by LeftHook05

Interview with the investigator or interview with the judge? When I dropped off my final application they asked me if I had time for an "interview" (which I said yes) but all they did was go over my info on the application to make sure it was correct and verified that I was employed. They must really be backed up with applications or just ran out of time if they aren't doing them on-the-spot now.

I assume they meant investigator.

**RRH44** · 12-17-2010, 02:56 PM

Yay going to pick up permit today! Just 2 months. I was the biggest delay, it took awhile for my 4th reference.

**kflo01** · 01-04-2011, 10:00 PM

OK I just met with my investigator. IT took about 30 minutes. They only go over your paper work ask a few minor questions like where you work, why you would like a permit. Very laid back.

He stated it would take another 2-4 months before I hear back from them. Really a uneventful trip so I dont have much to add at this point. He did state the judge decides and they pistol permit office does not make a recommendation either way.

**LeftHook05** · 01-04-2011, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by kflo01

He did state the judge decides and they pistol permit office does not make a recommendation either way.

Yea, they just do the "investigatory" work. They have no say in whether or not you will be granted a permit. Did he say to call him to check up on things in a month or two? I would definitely mark your calender and give them a call in about 2 months just to make sure everything is on schedule.

**Bllade** · 01-04-2011, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by LeftHook05

Yea, they just do the "investigatory" work. They have no say in whether or not you will be granted a permit. Did he say to call him to check up on things in a month or two? I would definitely mark your calender and give them a call in about 2 months just to make sure everything is on schedule.

In OC, the Sheriff are nothing more than information gatherers. They ensure the paperwork is complete and send out the background checks. They will send a BG check to your home jurisdiction, work jurisdiction and the Mental Health Dept. Your paperwork will be sent to the appropriate Judge once everything is complete. At that point it is out of the Sheriff's hands.
The only thing I would follow up with the Sheriff on is whether they got your BG checks back from the local PD. Just yesterday a buddy and I went to the sheriff's office to check on his application. He found out that they were waiting for the BG's to come back. A phone call to the Chiefs of both the Village and the Town PD revealed that the Town PD never received the request (both Chiefs and most of the LEO's are good friends.
After my interview with the Sheriff it took 6 months to the week to hear back from the Judges secretary with an appointment date. I have been told that they are moving quicker now though.
You can look in the permit office for a list of the Judges and which districts they handle. Our Judge, Judge Berry is very pro gun, but he is not a push over either.
In my letter I emphasized my community involvements and that an unrestricted license would aid in obtaining permits from other states that I travel to for hunting and target sports. I believe he was more concerned with someone being an upstanding citizen than anything else. He looked over my letter, and some papers, asked me three questions none of which were related to firearms or their uses and said I do not see any reason why you can not have an unrestricted. 3 days later I had my permit.