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About LinkBacksPlease...don't hold back. Oh, by the way, how did your poll turn out?
Please...don't hold back. Oh, by the way, how did your poll turn out?
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Originally Posted by Steve-o
Please...don't hold back. Oh, by the way, how did your poll turn out?
How I expected it to, it was never a deciding factor in my decision.
Also I'm not going to say too much on this thread because my comments are usually taken in almost the opposite direction of how I meant them, a pen clip I do not think is probable cause to randomly lift your shirt up, in this mans position I would have recoiled backwards and taken a VERY good look at his badge, I can buy a deputy badge at walmart, flash it quickly at someone and ask to see their ID, and then take off with their wallet, just saying. (and before this is flamed you can BUY police uniforms that can be pretty convincing for halloween, I'm sure if you put effort into it you could make it believable.)
I would not have mouthed off to the cop, he has the deciding power to cuff you and drag you into a cruiser for whatever he sees fit if you give him a hard time, in this situation there is nothing a person can do except hope he is a decent understanding cop having a nice day at work because in the end, you are helpless against the police, they can do everything except beat or kill you if you make them angry enough.
This is not a LEO flaming comment, and if anyone takes it that way then idk what to say. I am just glad I'm up in the boonies around here where an everyone owns a gun and the police don't really care when your magazines were made. (altho I make sure all of mine ARE preban)
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Recoil backwards?
That is a great way to escalate things. As far as Impersonating a Police Officer.....very rare. Those that choose this route go for bigger fish then street robberies. They are the ones robbing drug dealers and doing home invasions. NYPD IAB has an entire unit dedicated to investigating impersonation cases.
As far as the "pen clip" it is reasonable suspicion, not probable cause. Check the links to the NYS Penal Law that I posted before.
"Decent, understanding Cop." That is 97% of the job. You are stereotyping if you think there are more.
The Cop was doing his job. He wants to go home to his family at the end of the day. These NYPD Officers were less fortunate.
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So.....is that a pen, a knife, a gun? Wouldn't you like to know too?
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next time wear a Turban on your head, the cops won't even talk to you for fear of a Racial Profiling charge LOL
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or are you just happy to see me...............................................s orry, I couldn't help myself LOL
Manufactures don't have a ammo shortage
They have a serious surplus of customers
damn, I thought my wife deleted that picture hehehe
Manufactures don't have a ammo shortage
They have a serious surplus of customers
Then I say go for it!! Recoil and see what happens. I predict a trip to the ER and the turban that was suggested by another member.
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So we shouldn't stand up for our rights because we might get hurt?
Heh, so how's that neighbor who's being too nice to you working out? Ever man up and tell him to get the F off your property or still quietly waiting for him to go away?
Sorry mods, but something's got to be said.
I could be wrong but shoving (may be to strong a word, dont know wasn't there) a badge in someones face then lifting their shirt seems to be crossing a line IMO. Given what happened I think the OP did the right thing and the right thing happened to him and if he wants he can always lodge a complaint.
And face retaliation? Bad idea. Remember, that copper has his information.
GROM, the only way you can rid yourself of such incidences is to move out of the Gulag and, if you're really lucky, out of NY state entirely.
Nevermind.... I deleted my comments.
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Same.
Last edited by Temporaryscars; 05-08-2012 at 08:54 PM.
Thanks for explaining. I missed that he was showing part of a knife. Because the T-shirt would not have to do anything with it of course.
Racial profiling, freedom of speech and expression, those are the things that are always very present in everyone's mind in NYC.
I am sure the officers were just doing their jobs though.
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Try reading the Penal Law and City Ordinances and then explain to me what "standing up for your rights" means. You have no "right" to carry a "gravity knife" in NYC. End of story.
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Sorry but uniform or not if you hold out an ID for a brief second and then lift my shirt up, I'm backing up quickly and asking what is going on, that shouldn't escalate things but it is good to know I can check your belt line at any time without you panicking. "Part of his job" you will say, yes well a doctor preforms physicals on his patients, however I don't think many people would think its ok for his to hold out his PhD while he grabs you balls and asks you to cough.
A better approach would have been to approach the OP, with safe distance in case the situation is indeed dangerous, and ask "How are we doing today sir?" I noticed a clip on your pocket, do you carry a knife sir?" OP would of course says yes (if he doesn't then the officer would ask, "May I see what that clip is then sir?" but that is another direction here.) then he asks "May I see that knife sir?" does his little flip check "I would ask that you carry that in your backpack to avoid further attention sir, have a nice day." and that is that, I myself think this makes more sense then a quick "Here's my badge." and then an invasive lifting of clothes to expose tan lines. The officers actions themselves were pretty escalating, badge or not go walk around subways or city streets (even around here, which admittedly aren't nearly as rough or dangerous as a real city is.) shoving paper work or copper seals in peoples faces and lifting randoms items of clothing or feeling up pockets, I give a person about 3 to 5 people before someone punches their teeth in and demands why his clothes are being lifted, touched, rubbed, or whatever.
And lastly, if the guy is standing there with a small metal clip in his pocket, I don't actually care if it is a knife, a pen or a gun, maybe it is where I grew up but it most likely is one of those things and that is the last person to bother unless they are acting funny, and if it bothered me I would loiter around and watch the guy (providing I was a police officer) to see how things played out or if anything weird happened, OR, I would do as I said the officer should have in my opinion above ^
I'm not belittling the officer or saying he did a BAD job, but I say he could have handled it better, if you think cops should be able to stop random citizens because of every pocket bulge, pen clip or metal button on their clothing, then you are a minority with that opinion.
I respect police officers and their jobs, I understand that even in the smallest of town their lives are at risk, and it is hard to have families if god forbid you bust a gang member or a drug dealer, they may try to make and example of you and hurt you or your family, I am not ignorant to their job descriptions and yes lots of them have died, however the situation could have been handled a little better, and frankly, more politely.
And maybe I have had bad experiences with cops but I have had more then my fair share of a Police Officer who I think was a little rude without reason for being so, I have also been approached in broad daylight in a city park while holding a fish I caught out of a puddle to move to a stream with one of those city provided doggy waste bags by a police officer with his sidearm unbuckled and his hand on his weapon, I was holding a bag of what was more then likely poop and turned out to be nothing more then water, in a public park, in broad daylight, so I have not had many experiences with understanding city cops in my life thus far, State Troopers and County Police have been a little nicer in my personal experiences, maybe I am stereo typing a little, sorry.
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Try reading the second amendment which is supposed to supersede anything else as law.
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"Supposed" is the key word in the sentence. We DO NOT live in a perfect world. Nobody ever said that life was fair.
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Yes but allowing people in positions of "authority" to decide what you can and cannot have has nothing to do with a fair or unfair world, that is just allowing another person to control you because in their opinion, it is better that way. When they come to take your guns are you going to just hand over your collection and shake their hands?
I put authority in quotes not to be sarcastic it is in quotes because any person in a position of power only has the ability to have anyone do anything he asks if he can in fact get someone to believe in his ideas and to follow him.
Also the second amendment is a huge part of this forum and you seem to not support it, with a lack of another way to ask it......what gives? Only exercise your rights when it is convenient? That wouldn't have helped Martin Luther King go very far, or anyone else in history who has supported rights that the majority disagrees with.
To be honest, I know you support the Police Officer however, what if it had not been anything more then a pen? I have a feeling you would feel very different if a LEO put his badge in your face and pulled your shirt up, I do not think you would have shook his hand and patted his back, I think you would have been shaken up a bit and at the very least annoyed, and more then likely more then JUST annoyed, I would dare say very angry. Maybe it is just me but I do not like being touched by other people very much, and I especially do not like when people tug, stretch, lift, twist or mess with my clothing, and most other people don't either.
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I think everyone has made their point and this is going downhill.
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