Can someone (With a NY pistol permit) shoot my guns?>

[Bllade]

By the way, it's no small matter for an "official" government document to be so woefully ignorant of the English language. It's important because when I read such things it strikes me as if an entry level clerk is just making up this stuff as he goes along. Ask a lawyer. Words are important, they are powerful. They should be shot from your pen with the same care you aim a bullet. It is inexcusable for a document like this one not to have been proofread and corrected.

6. "When taken your pistols to another state..."

Taking, taking TAKING!!!

YEAH, what he said!!!

[Bllade]

I'll need to do a bit if research but i believe that there is a Federal Law on the books that protects an individual while transporting firearms through States. IIRC, as long as you are legally entitled to own the firearm, have it stored in accordance with the laws of the state you are traveling through and do not make any unnecessary stops along the way you can not be prosecuted. I'll get over to the USCCA website and see what I can dig up.

[Tim1]

Someone needs to take a big broom and sweep away the mental cobwebs of the idiots in charge of this county.

Calling them "idiots" is a bridge too far and I would remind you about our policy regarding name calling.

Regardless of the merits or lack thereof of that document the people who man our pistol permit office go above and beyond. They aren't "idiots" and having read on here how some of the other counties in NYS do business I'm glad I live where I do.

[bkjohn]

I'll need to do a bit if research but i believe that there is a Federal Law on the books that protects an individual while transporting firearms through States. IIRC, as long as you are legally entitled to own the firearm, have it stored in accordance with the laws of the state you are traveling through and do not make any unnecessary stops along the way you can not be prosecuted. I'll get over to the USCCA website and see what I can dig up.

It's based on F.O.P.A. The Firearm Owners Protection Act which states

""Safe Passage" provision

One of the law's provisions was that persons traveling from one place to another cannot be incarcerated for a firearms offense in a state that has strict gun control laws if the traveler is just passing through (short stops for food and gas) and the firearms and ammunition are not immediately accessible, unloaded and, in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment, in a locked container.[6]
An example of this would be that someone driving from Virginia to a competition in Vermont with a locked hard case containing an unloaded handgun and a box of ammunition in the trunk could not be prosecuted in New Jersey or New York City for illegal possession of a handgun provided that they did not stop in New Jersey or New York for an extended period of time."

[rjhauser]

http://www.nraila.org/images/DOJltrTSA.pdf

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=73

Travelers should be aware that New Jersey, New York and Massachusetts do not follow the regulations established for interstate transport

[Baby Kaboomer]

Calling them "idiots" is a bridge too far and I would remind you about our policy regarding name calling.

Got it, sorry.

[RochPersDef]

Someone between 14 and 21 can handle a legally owned handgun, AT A RANGE, when the owner is present and that owner has to have taken a handgun safety class

Now, most ranges require the adult to have at least a range officer/safety officer or Instructor credential to allow a minor to handle the gun.

It's called the Youth Handgun Shooting act, signed by Pataki back in 2006 (I think the date is close)

As for the other stuff on the paper......KNOW THE LAWS....not what people think...

[dubleuhb]

Someone between 14 and 21 can handle a legally owned handgun, AT A RANGE, when the owner is present and that owner has to have taken a handgun safety class

Now, most ranges require the adult to have at least a range officer/safety officer or Instructor credential to allow a minor to handle the gun.

It's called the Youth Handgun Shooting act, signed by Pataki back in 2006 (I think the date is close)

As for the other stuff on the paper......KNOW THE LAWS....not what people think...

So what is the differance between a 21 or a 30 year old ? What kind of dimwits sit around and make this stuff up? Also what makes any ''range'' as the only qualifying
place? Many people do not belong to a club for the many reasons that have been discussed here before. I suppose it must be the whole '' i'm smarter than the rest of you since i have been elected syndrome''.With all of their laws, permits and regulations this state will make a criminal out of everybody eventually and you won't even realize it.
Really though why would i pay to belong to a range when i pay thousands in taxes and have my own range? If you need to then fine but what goes on when we shoot is no different than any range where you pay to play. Safety is first ! I guess i will never understand this overregulated, overtaxed ''state''. Last one out turn out the lights.

[RochPersDef]

They stated that it had to be at a club because, in general, there are usually more safety controls or infrastructure in place than out in someone's backyard or field. (Reference a few stories or threads about people shooting in yards and property and not exercising safety or having proper backstops and ending up putting holes in stuff like windows or microwaves at their neighbors houses)

[Tim1]

Someone between 14 and 21 can handle a legally owned handgun, AT A RANGE, when the owner is present and that owner has to have taken a handgun safety class

Dave,

I read it as a parent can take them without any class, while anybody else needs both the written permission of the parents AND a hunter's safety course. Did I read it wrong? My little brother turns 14 in a year and I'd like to take him down to the range. I have the hunter's safety certificate so I'm assuming I'd be covered if Mom gave me written permission to take him.

Here are the relevant bits from 265.20, emphasis mine:

7-e. Possession and use of a pistol or revolver, at an indoor or
outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a
duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to
foster proficiency in small arms or at a target pistol shooting
competition under the auspices of or approved by an association or
organization described in paragraph 7-a of this subdivision for the
purpose of loading and firing the same by a person at least fourteen
years of age but under the age of twenty-one who has not been previously
convicted of a felony or serious offense, and who does not appear to be,
or pose a threat to be, a danger to himself or to others; provided
however, that such possession shall be of a pistol or revolver duly
licensed to and shall be used under the immediate supervision, guidance
and instruction of, a person specified in paragraph seven of this
subdivision.

Paragraph Seven:

7. Possession, at an indoor or outdoor shooting range for the purpose
of loading and firing, of a rifle or shotgun, the propelling force of
which is gunpowder by a person under sixteen years of age but not under
twelve, under the immediate supervision, guidance and instruction of (a)
a duly commissioned officer of the United States army, navy, air force,
marine corps or coast guard, or of the national guard of the state of
New York; or (b) a duly qualified adult citizen of the United States who
has been granted a certificate as an instructor in small arms practice
issued by the United States army, navy, air force or marine corps, or by
the adjutant general of this state, or by the national rifle association
of America, a not-for-profit corporation duly organized under the laws
of this state; or (c) a parent, guardian, or a person over the age of
eighteen designated in writing by such parent or guardian who shall have
a certificate of qualification in responsible hunting, including safety,
ethics, and landowner relations-hunter relations, issued or honored by
the department of environmental conservation; or (d) an agent of the
department of environmental conservation appointed to conduct courses in
responsible hunting practices pursuant to article eleven of the
environmental conservation law.

Incidentally, it also seems from reading Paragraph Seven that you can take your 12 year old to the range to shoot long guns. Dunno why they made you wait until 14 for handguns but that's Albany for you.

[RochPersDef]

See section B of your second quote

(b) a duly qualified adult citizen of the United States who
has been granted a certificate as an instructor in small arms practice
issued by the United States army, navy, air force or marine corps, or by
the adjutant general of this state, or by the national rifle association
of America, a not-for-profit corporation duly organized under the laws
of this state; or *(

[Tim1]

See section B of your second quote

But that's an "OR", not an "AND".

Section A: A commissioned officer in the US Military or NYS National Guard

OR

Section B: Military and NRA Instructors

OR

Section C: Parents OR someone who has their written permission AND who holds a DEC safety certificate

I'm still not seeing the part that requires me to have a pistol safety class to take my kids (or my little brother for that matter) to the range. Am I missing something?

[Tim1]

I split the discussion regarding the Niagara Gun Range into it's own thread. Please continue with that discussion in the new thread.

[ladder13]

One of the many reasons I'll be vacating this state asap.