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    Happened to catch my eye as I was flipping through the channels last night. CNBC is airing a story called the rise of the AR15 or something like that. I can't wait to see how this "objective" news channel is going to report this story.

    Any bets that this is going to be a slam job on the weapon and the "gun culture?" I can't imagine they are going to take an objective position.
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    Well, you know it is a baby killer and all. That's the only reason someone has one, would want one, and basically the sole reason they were created. Doesn't matter that it arrived in the 1950's. These people planned the attacks for the future.

    I doubt it will be objective. Will be surprised if it is.
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    Actually, no need to place bets. I just recalled that the advertisement for the peice shows some woman stating that the level of damage from the AR15 is beyond incredible, blah blah blah...
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    CNBC's "America's Gun: The Rise of the AR-15" Premieres on Thursday, April 25th at 10PM ET/PT

    CNBC's "America's Gun: The Rise of the AR-15" Premieres on Thursday, April 25th at 10PM ET/PT

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    CNBC ORIGINAL TAKES VIEWERS INSIDE THE STORY OF ONE OF AMERICA'S MOST POPULAR AND FEARED FIREARMS, NOW AT THE CENTER OF A NATIONAL DEBATE
    HOW DID A WEAPON BORN ON THE BATTLEFIELD BECOME THE NATION'S BEST-SELLING CIVILIAN RIFLE?
    One-Hour Documentary Reported by CNBC's Brian Sullivan
    ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, N.J., April 22, 2013 It is both lethal and legal, loved by some and feared by others – the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle – seven pounds of metal and plastic that has become a lightning rod in a wrenching national debate over whether such guns belong in civilian hands. The AR-15, with an estimated four million in circulation, has become a symbol of freedom to many of its owners and is now America's most famous, and infamous, firearm.
    On Thursday, April 25th at 10PM ET/PT, CNBC Prime presents "America's Gun: The Rise of the AR-15," a one-hour documentary reported by
    Brian Sullivan, that examines the controversy surrounding this high-powered rifle. The program profiles a broad range of dealers, instructors and owners who are AR-15 enthusiasts and have made it America's preferred rifle for hunting and sports shooting. CNBC also speaks with extremists and provocateurs who have threatened violence if their gun rights are denied.
    The documentary looks at the AR-15's role in mass shootings like the ones in Newtown, Connecticut, which claimed 26 lives, and in Aurora, Colorado, which left 12 dead and 58 wounded. Correspondent Brian Sullivan profiles Farrah Soudani, a 22 year-old victim of the Aurora massacre who survived grievous wounds, and meets the emergency room doctor and EMT who helped save her. CNBC also speaks with Sandy Phillips, a gun owner herself, whose 24 year-old daughter was killed in the same shooting, struck six times by the AR-15. Phillips is channeling her grief into action, advocating limited access to the AR-15 and similar weapons.
    Sullivan explores the depth of the AR-15's popularity in a profile of a former dance instructor and mother of two named Julianna Crowder. Today, Crowder makes her living training women to use their AR-15's and other weapons. Crowder founded a Texas group called "A Girl and A Gun Women's Shooting League" that now has chapters in eleven states. Sullivan also meets a Florida dentist, Mike Barr, who says, "Tens of millions of us are responsible gun owners, and to punish us for the deeds of a few deranged people, whether they use an AR-15, or a car, you know, I don't think that's right."
    CNBC travels to rural Western Tennessee to meet James Yeager, a 42-year old firearms instructor and Second Amendment absolutist, who teaches an AR-15 class to a diverse mix of gun owners. Yeager became a viral sensation when he took to YouTube and threatened to "start killing people" if anyone came after his guns. The video prompted Tennessee's Department of Safety and Homeland Security to temporarily suspend Yeager's permit to carry a gun. CNBC also speaks with Tom Diaz, a former NRA member and now one of the most prominent gun control advocates in the country, who says radical rhetoric like Yeager's has had a chilling effect on the kind of open dialogue needed to forge compromise.
    The AR-15 dates back more than 50 years, but it has never been hotter or more controversial than it is right now. The documentary examines the AR-15's roots, introducing viewers to Jim Sullivan, an engineer who helped design the AR-15 for the military and who never imagined the gun would have such wide appeal in the civilian market. For roughly a thousand dollars, you can buy one at a Walmart or other retailers, if they're not sold out: fearing a crackdown in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre, the gun-buying public has made a run on AR-15's and related accessories, prompting a huge spike in sales and a shortage of inventory.
    Dozens of U.S. manufacturers make variations of the AR-15 rifle, but the most interesting, and perhaps provocative player on that landscape is a University of Texas law student named Cody Wilson. A self-described anarchist, Wilson has been using three-dimensional (3D) printers to manufacture critical parts for AR-15 rifles, but without the serial numbers the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives requires conventional builders to stamp on their components. Wilson has gained widespread notoriety by legally distributing plans for an untraceable AR-15 on the internet. His self-described goal is to make high-capacity firepower more accessible for anyone and everyone, even if the result is an increase in violence.
    For more information and special web exclusives log onto: americasgun.cnbc.com.

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    I thought it wasnt used in Newtown?

    High powered? Must be like a full auto 50 bmg or grenade launcher.

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    From this alone I don't have high hopes: "MOST POPULAR AND FEARED FIREARMS,"

    Also this:

    "is self-described goal is to make high-capacity firepower more accessible for anyone and everyone, even if the result is an increase in violence."

    And this:

    "The documentary looks at the AR-15's role in mass shootings like the ones in Newtown, Connecticut, which claimed 26 lives, and in Aurora, Colorado, which left 12 dead and 58 wounded. Correspondent Brian Sullivan profiles Farrah Soudani, a 22 year-old victim of the Aurora massacre who survived grievous wounds, and meets the emergency room doctor and EMT who helped save her. CNBC also speaks with Sandy Phillips, a gun owner herself, whose 24 year-old daughter was killed in the same shooting, struck six times by the AR-15. Phillips is channeling her grief into action, advocating limited access to the AR-15 and similar weapons."

    And this:

    "Yeager became a viral sensation when he took to YouTube and threatened to "start killing people" if anyone came after his guns. The video prompted Tennessee's Department of Safety and Homeland Security to temporarily suspend Yeager's permit to carry a gun."

    And this:

    "CNBC also speaks with Tom Diaz, a former NRA member and now one of the most prominent gun control advocates in the country, who says radical rhetoric like Yeager's has had a chilling effect on the kind of open dialogue needed to forge compromise."

    And this:

    "For roughly a thousand dollars, you can buy one at a Walmart or other retailers"

    Seems like a lobbying attempt disguised as a documentary. Completely biased and full of misinformation.
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    Walmart carries ar-15s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentuckyrifleman View Post
    Walmart carries ar-15s?
    Maybe in Alaska or Texas?
    Disclosure: I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

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    Before they look into this they should go into the FBI's website and publish how many people get actually hurt or killed by an AR15 or an AK counterpart. Next to it make a comparative how many people died by clubs, knifes and also assault with fists and kicks and also killed by DWI related accidents.
    The data is all out there. Once the facts are presented then we can see if it is actually more relevant to talk about ARs than talking about violence first or the Alcohol and drugs problems.
    We soon would find out that this debate would not be too appealing to those involved in the disarmament crusade.
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    walmart carried dpms and bushmaster ar-15's in the store near my parents house in PA prior to this nonsense. 500$ depending on options etc.

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    I heard of an AR-15 jumping off a table and killing a family of 4 & 1/2 you know the average American family. What a tragedy if only king cuomo was there to save them or stand in front of the bullets.
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    "is self-described goal is to make high-capacity firepower more accessible for anyone and everyone, even if the result is an increase in violence."
    Pretty sure there is no company advertising their AR that way
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    It boils down to one simple concept.
    They do not like the firearms culture probably in the same way I do not like the Socialist culture of welfare, bail-outs, etc..

    So they just should say it out loud: We do not like the 'ol good America. We want a more European metro-trendy America.

    Now, lets take a look how the Socialism worked out in many European Countries:

    Fact: They are bankrupt and have huge economic, social and security problems.

    Oops!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob11 View Post
    From this alone I don't have high hopes: "MOST POPULAR AND FEARED FIREARMS,"

    Also this:

    "is self-described goal is to make high-capacity firepower more accessible for anyone and everyone, even if the result is an increase in violence."

    And this:

    "The documentary looks at the AR-15's role in mass shootings like the ones in Newtown, Connecticut, which claimed 26 lives, and in Aurora, Colorado, which left 12 dead and 58 wounded. Correspondent Brian Sullivan profiles Farrah Soudani, a 22 year-old victim of the Aurora massacre who survived grievous wounds, and meets the emergency room doctor and EMT who helped save her. CNBC also speaks with Sandy Phillips, a gun owner herself, whose 24 year-old daughter was killed in the same shooting, struck six times by the AR-15. Phillips is channeling her grief into action, advocating limited access to the AR-15 and similar weapons."

    And this:

    "Yeager became a viral sensation when he took to YouTube and threatened to "start killing people" if anyone came after his guns. The video prompted Tennessee's Department of Safety and Homeland Security to temporarily suspend Yeager's permit to carry a gun."

    And this:

    "CNBC also speaks with Tom Diaz, a former NRA member and now one of the most prominent gun control advocates in the country, who says radical rhetoric like Yeager's has had a chilling effect on the kind of open dialogue needed to forge compromise."

    And this:

    "For roughly a thousand dollars, you can buy one at a Walmart or other retailers"

    Seems like a lobbying attempt disguised as a documentary. Completely biased and full of misinformation.
    Give us a break, we are not stupid or illiterate. All the sections you cut out were interspersed among other sections that (at least suggest) the overall hour-long report will be more balanced than your cutting and pasting would suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsellati View Post
    Give us a break, we are not stupid or illiterate. All the sections you cut out were interspersed among other sections that (at least suggest) the overall hour-long report will be more balanced than your cutting and pasting would suggest.

    Tim
    How long have you been following MSM and their view on firearms? Serious question. I know Bob11 has been following it for a bit and his reaction seems reasonable baised on the things he has seen from MSM and I would have to lean towards agreeing with him.
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    You can get AR-14's at a gas station.. believe it!
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    We should start county called gun control or even better a state. Then they can all move to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeSoldier View Post
    How long have you been following MSM and their view on firearms? Serious question. I know Bob11 has been following it for a bit and his reaction seems reasonable baised on the things he has seen from MSM and I would have to lean towards agreeing with him.
    I have not followed MSM and their view on firearms at all. However, I have not doubt they are likely biased towards the left. I was merely struck by what I read to be a balanced description of what would be covered in this show and then the "cherry picked" sections to suggest the show would be entirely biased and not all worth watching.

    I am an equal opportunity hater of left-wing and right-wing extremist thinking and biased interpretation of what people are saying or not saying on either side of a divisive argument.

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    I don't fear any weapon, just the potential idiot that may be behind it. Because even a hydrogen bomb is just inanimate dead weight unless somebody pushes the button.....

    What I do fear is left or right extremist agenda pushing morons trying to force lies, false information, and mis-interpretation down the throats of those that are not as well adept in these areas of discussion......
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    Thanks for the reminder to stay away from CNBC that night, trying to keep the blood pressure down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meketrefe View Post
    It boils down to one simple concept.
    They do not like the firearms culture probably in the same way I do not like the Socialist culture of welfare, bail-outs, etc..

    So they just should say it out loud: We do not like the 'ol good America. We want a more European metro-trendy America.

    Now, lets take a look how the Socialism worked out in many European Countries:

    Fact: They are bankrupt and have huge economic, social and security problems.

    Oops!!
    so are we, but NObama and Bernanke keep printing money like crazy. Sometime in the next 6 months to two years this BS is going to catch up to us and the Great Depression is going to look like a party compared to whats coming
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    I'll DVR it and see what its about.

    I'm not sure that I'll be able to handle more than a few minutes, though. I'll just consider it opposition research.

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    yeah no point of watching its nbc. to liberal for this guy to watch. you know it aint going to be good
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    I'm not holding my breath for it to be unbiased reporting. Honestly, what would you expect them to do? They just lost this round of gun control, so what's left? Oh, I know, let's do an anti gun puff piece to once again, take the blame off the actual criminals responsible, exonerate the human element and vilify an inanimate object to try to sway people's opinion. It's bottom of the barrel crap. As insulting as the premise of it all is, let's not lose sight of just what the reaction to gun control was this time around and what it achieved thus far on the Federal level. Certain states have (despite its unpopularity) gone hog wild with gun control, but it sure hasn't taken over nationally. I for one, hold on to the idea that this is an issue that transcends politics and cuts to the core of our free society. It's one of those civil rights that is so tangible, you can actually hold it in your hand. That is something more easily missed when taken away. People know this.

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