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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Except for your registered pistols that appear on your permits, its none of the states business what you have in your safe.
    This is what I have been saying and will continue to stand by. The state does not have to know what you own, it is none of their buisness! I belive all the bullcrap to get a handgun in this state is bullcrap and infringes the second ammendment! I was going to get a handgun, a friend of mine got me the paper work and I filled out half of it before I stopped and though, hm wait... Screw NY they don't need to know what I own. If it means I can't own a handgun, well so be it. The state already knows where I live,where I work, how much I make, what I drive! What the hell else you want from me!?, a stool sample once a month!?, a journal of when I leave and return home?! My point being they know enough, they don't need to know every single little thing surrounding me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenriver762 View Post
    a stool sample once a month!?
    Please send one to Cuomo's office directly.
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    Since I saw this coming down, and I'm still waiting (7 months now) for my pistol permit to process, I went out and bought a few 10 round mags pre-emptivly for what I plan on purchasing as soon as I'm legal.

    I may be the smartest man in the world!

    My wife was really confused when she saw the mags, her reaction "Oh, did your permit finally come today?"

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    I'm suddenly glad I lost all my sh!t in that boating accident last month....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubline View Post
    Whats there to stop me from selling one of my AR's tomorrow? There is no way the government can prove that I did. I sold it 2 months ago judge. The state has the burden of proof.
    I need to re read the bill yet again ... as I understood it we would have 1 year to take care of what ever we needed to with an AR ... sell it , smash it register it whatever .... and that was cast in stone as soon as the bill was signed ..... we need to completely clarify every word of it in order to fully understand what we are dealing with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanjo_NY View Post
    sorry for my ignorance..
    Most of my guns are single shot, double barrel, one .22 with a 7mag BUT have two guns with tube feed which hold more than 7.
    Are tube feed also limited to 7 rounds now?
    No they are not ..... it is not a removable ammunition feeding device
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    Quote Originally Posted by demerson View Post
    No they are not ..... it is not a removable ammunition feeding device
    thanks!!


    if to drive a car you need to take test to get the driver license and then have to register the car and pay insurance to drive it..
    what's wrong about having to do the same to own a gun! Look at the positive side, at least no need to pay for insurance to shot a gun..

    I own few guns and I'm fine with the new changes.. In the long run is going to make owning a gun something to be proud of.. as it is right now ANY IDIOT can have a gun.
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    Sorry but there's so much info to digest. The Ar-15 is still legal but cannot have a clip that holds more then 10 rounds. but you can only put seven rounds in the clip. How do you know if they rifle you own is not registered? If bought at a gun show and they run your license is it registered right then. Is the ammo going to be available or will it be phased out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namke View Post
    But the second you cross state lines you are a felon.

    I have a bone to pick with this statement: You are NOT a felon until convicted, and that is assuming (very big assumption) that the appeals goes against you.

    You would not be a fellon if you brought anything into NY...but you could face POTENTIAL fellony charges.

    We have a couple LEOs on this forum, as one stated earlier, "I do not want to become a felon, that is very hazzardess to my employment as a LEO."

    Everyone needs to remember, you are not a felon until you have been CONVICTED, and the conviction stands up on appeal. Is that a risk? You bet it is. It is much better to fight this through political means, and maybe, just maybe, enough people in NY will wake up and throw the ones that voted for this out of office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanjo_NY View Post
    thanks!!


    if to drive a car you need to take test to get the driver license and then have to register the car and pay insurance to drive it..
    what's wrong about having to do the same to own a gun! Look at the positive side, at least no need to pay for insurance to shot a gun..

    I own few guns and I'm fine with the new changes.. In the long run is going to make owning a gun something to be proud of.. as it is right now ANY IDIOT can have a gun.
    You sir, are a Jim Crow Elitist. You care only for yourself, and nothing for your fellow citizen. Who more needs to be armed? You? or the poor guy that lives in an apartment in NYC?

    Take a look around, read the US constitution and the Federalist papers...this is NOT what they were talking about.

    I will give you a better idea: Unlicensed, purchase, ownership and openly carried firearms...Concealed permits that only require a background check and a couple dollars. Carry legal everywhere except the secure area of a jail, mental hospital and court-room...

    Close to you...that is how it is in PA (except Philly) farther away, that is how it is in WA (no exceptions).

    When was the last time you heard of a mass shooting in PA or WA????? No, we have Sandy Hook CT...where they already have an AWB, So much for restrictions on law abiding citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubline View Post
    Whats there to stop me from selling one of my AR's tomorrow? There is no way the government can prove that I did. I sold it 2 months ago judge. The state has the burden of proof.
    i sold mine and all my mags to joe smith, in 2011.....or was it 1999?

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    shops can simply require that you buy a 5 round magazine, and trade it for the one that the gun comes with.

    the store will keep the 7 or 10 round magazine, and destroy it or turn it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Except for your registered pistols that appear on your permits, its none of the states business what you have in your safe.
    The state has no NEED to know about ANYTHING you own...you just allow them too know about your pistols to try being a LAC, What you should be working for is a repeal of the Sullivan act, and everything attached to it and based on it.

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    Besides the BS back door politics we have just witnessed, this is the big point that needs to be made

    "its your choice not to own a firearm, but once there are laws that limit or take away that choice, thats when you need you stand up and fight"

    Thats what pisses me off now. I decided to sell off my AR's, because of this, but I purchased other firearms to fill my personal defense and target shooting needs...I only left the AR game because I am not registering a legal firearm purchased legally, and now with a swipe of a pen, is now considered public enemy #1

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    New to the forum, sorry i had to join during such a solemn time for gun owners and civil liberties. but was wondering if anyone had a answer to a few questions i had regarding the recent gun law.

    1. Can you buy ammo out of state and then bring it back into ny without registering it? or do u need to register it even if purchased out of state?

    2. is there a definitive number that will be considered bulk ammunition purchases?

    3. will we be charged for running the back ground check when purchasing ammo in ny now? (if they are then the whole bulk ammo thing is real b.s. because i would def want to buy bulk so i dont get charged everytime i purchase)

    4. Is anyone know about how they are changing handgun permits, I know one proposal for the bill was to change the permits for handguns from a county by county issuance to a state issuance, I lived in Westchester county for my entire life until 2 months ago when i purchased a home in dutchess county. I planned on getting my permit in dutchess, only reason i havent is that i had to have residence here 6 months before i could apply, they have a concealed carry permit as opposed to say westchester which does not. If they change it to being a state issued permit does that change the law in county i live in to carry concealed?


    I tried reading the bill to get these answers myself, but there is a reason im not a lawyer, i cant read legal jargon. they really need to make a simplified version of this bill that the general public can get the answers to the questions they have.....guess there wasnt enough time in the midnight hour to think of that.

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    Juango: what you don't understand is that this new law is not the end, it is not the last new gun law, it is the beginning of the end of firearms in private hands. First comes the registration, then next comes a law saying you can only own three firearms "who needs more than three guns?". Then the coup de grace, a law banning private ownership of any firearm. And because all firearms all are registered and/or licensed, and all ammo sales are recorded in a database linked to your driver's license they know where you live. So one sunny day you get a letter in the mail from the NYS police ordering you to turn in your firearms within 30 days or face arrest. This is the goal, the ultimate outcome of laws like this written by Socialists such as Cuomo. No guns at all. This is the stated end game of the anti-gun crowd, believe it.
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    @bob69, i fear this as well. I have a feeling you dead on with the three gun limitation, i believe that was originally proposed before they wrote the bill. Another great fear of mine is what they will do with handguns. They have really targeted "assault rifles" this time around, despite the fact that these rifles really arent used in most of the gun related homicides, not just in this state but in the country. The gun in which most gun related deaths occur with is the handgun. So, after a few years when the politicians are looking at the gun murder rate and they dont have the huge reduction in gun related murder that they knew they were not going to have what weapon will they point their finger at next. The next time they try and pass a new law they may actually pay attention to some of the numbers this time the ones that work in their favor, despite the fact that most handgun homicides occur with illegal handguns...... I truly am dissappointed in all of this.

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    Andrew Como just like his Father Mario Fu**ked up our state with their Liberal Ant- Italian & anti gun laws etc.? Where is the NRA presence here in NYS now that we need them to Repeal these new gun laws etc./
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikebigh View Post
    THIS ^^^^^^^^^^ Cmon guys.
    I'm on board. This is our Country and Constitution that they are trashing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanjo_NY View Post
    thanks!!


    if to drive a car you need to take test to get the driver license and then have to register the car and pay insurance to drive it..
    what's wrong about having to do the same to own a gun! Look at the positive side, at least no need to pay for insurance to shot a gun..

    I own few guns and I'm fine with the new changes.. In the long run is going to make owning a gun something to be proud of.. as it is right now ANY IDIOT can have a gun.
    I don't even know where to start on how wrong or mis-informed you are. 2 a is to protect all our civil rights and not to be infringed upon by nothing or no one. Citizens are slaves without 2a applied to all. We the People, not we the socialist republic of back door deals. Go report that to you elitist boss .
    There can be No Free speech, No Freedom from Oppression, No Freedom to Worship your God, No Freedom to speak your mind, No Freedom from Fear, No Freedom for your children or theirs for anyone anywhere Without the 2ndAmendment and The Freedom to Fight for it. CHARLTON HESTON

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    I'm sure this question has popped up a million times already bought my rock river lar-15 at a gun shop two months ago it was registered then so I am all good now right ? No need for further registering or do I have to go somewhere an give a blood sample ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanjo_NY View Post
    thanks!!


    if to drive a car you need to take test to get the driver license and then have to register the car and pay insurance to drive it..
    what's wrong about having to do the same to own a gun! Look at the positive side, at least no need to pay for insurance to shot a gun..

    I own few guns and I'm fine with the new changes.. In the long run is going to make owning a gun something to be proud of.. as it is right now ANY IDIOT can have a gun.
    Yea... any... IDIOT... ^^ This... is just.... /ragequit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanjo_NY View Post
    thanks!!


    if to drive a car you need to take test to get the driver license and then have to register the car and pay insurance to drive it..
    what's wrong about having to do the same to own a gun! Look at the positive side, at least no need to pay for insurance to shot a gun..

    I own few guns and I'm fine with the new changes.. In the long run is going to make owning a gun something to be proud of.. as it is right now ANY IDIOT can have a gun.
    You are garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProGunner View Post
    Yes, as long as you had them prior to 1/15/13. Any purchases of new magazines that hold more than 7 are illegal.
    That is not correct; you have 90 days from 01/15/13 to purchase magazines that hold ten rounds.

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