NY Firearms: Remington?s response to CNBC

[SRV1]

Remington is just like any other big company out there, they are trying to make the most "bang" for their "buck". Hey, someone had to say it!! LOL!

James

[Noodles]

So you didn't watch the special? Didn't see the 700 discharge when the bolt was touched? We all know guns should be pointed in a safe direction, but they should also not discharge without the trigger being touched.

When I first saw that, I remember that Remington had requested to look at and repair those affected rifles at no cost. The department with those rifles wouldn't return them, almost certainly because they had been modified by an overzealous gunsmith trying to turn a factory trigger into a match trigger.

[niacin]

I understand that Remington mass producing rifles (such as the 700) can potentially put a defective one on the market; however, the stories outlined in the report were lacking in detail and full of flawes, to say the least. I would bet money that a sniper team on a police force has specific modifications that they prefer on their particular rifle—just like they probably prefer a particular make and model. I'll stick by my original post and side with Remington.

[ECU Pirates]

When I first saw that, I remember that Remington had requested to look at and repair those affected rifles at no cost. The department with those rifles wouldn't return them, almost certainly because they had been modified by an overzealous gunsmith trying to turn a factory trigger into a match trigger.

Was that in the original story? The police chief is directly quoted (in the article not the tv show) saying they contacted Remington and were told the rifles were out of warranty. He also claims they were not altered in any way. Seems odd that the same issues keep getting reported over and over. By police and consumers.

[Nubz]

An ADEQUATELY MAINTAINED and UNMODIFIED rifle should not do that.

They never address any of that in their story. The rem triggers have three screws to adjust pull, overtravel and creep. Lots of people mess with those and if you do it wrong it may discharge as seen in the story. Was it done to the rifles in the story? They never say.

This is the first thing that came to my mind when I started reading

[1911guy]

So you didn't watch the special? Didn't see the 700 discharge when the bolt was touched? We all know guns should be pointed in a safe direction, but they should also not discharge without the trigger being touched.

Did you see the "expose" of GM's cars exploding into flame on and NBC special? Same hoopla. Turns out they couldn't get the explosion without the aid of a small jet engine from an aircraft model. Never trust the media!

[Transporter7220]

So you didn't watch the special? Didn't see the 700 discharge when the bolt was touched? We all know guns should be pointed in a safe direction, but they should also not discharge without the trigger being touched.

After watching the video a few times, it looks to me like they weren't closing the bolt all the way, then pulling the trigger. But since the bolt wasn't closed the trigger didn't drop, but when they tapped the bolt down to fully close it the trigger dropped (AFTER THEY ALREADY PULLED THE TRIGGER). Yet CNBC made it seem like the guns were just firing with the movement of the bolt, even after the soldiers were clearly pulling the trigger before hand.

Sounds a lot like someone fancying themselves a gunsmith and messing with a trigger assembly to me. Hard to tell though, since neither side of the story is willing to concede to anything.

I'm not sure what to believe at the moment, there is too much bull**** flying around. It doesn't make me any more afraid of the 700's I've shot though, if you treat a gun like you should, even if it misfires it will never hurt anyone.

One good thing that could come from this, I bet the price of 700s will drop in the next month, sounds like a good time to pick one up!

[Chicken Shoot]

One good thing that could come from this, I bet the price of 700s will drop in the next month, sounds like a good time to pick one up!

Wasn't this a problem with the Rem's a couple 2-3 years ago?

[Jeff]

One good thing that could come from this, I bet the price of 700s will drop in the next month, sounds like a good time to pick one up!

Except the story aired in 10/2010

[Bob]

Except the story aired in 10/2010

I watched it yesterday on Netflix.

[Transporter7220]

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII fail... lol

[Loren]

They are doing another one.

Rock Center with Brian Williams - Owners of some Remington shotguns, rifles claim pattern of inadvertent discharges

There are no gun accidents, just stupid people doing stupid things like pointing a loaded gun in the wrong place, messing with the trigger assembly, leaning it against something loaded, etc...

[meketrefe]

This is all bull schit man. The 700 will not go off unless you pull the trigger. Same thing with a Savage. This is all a bunch of horse manure.
People go overboard with the stone, the screws and other gunsmith wannabe modifications and then they want to blame it on Remington.
There are many 'Accidental Discharges' all right, specially those antigun activists having wet dreams about shooting down the whole firearms industry.

[zeroskin]

i believe in saftey above all, as such ive tested every gun i ever owned for chance of accidental

tested some rem shotguns and never had one fire with safety on


my technique is getting a blank and abusing my gun in an attempt to simulate the worst of worst condition
while ive had Remington jam due to my test and not wanna fire later til re adjusted ive never had a accidental discharge

i again hate to say this but in most accidental discharge cases it is USER ERROR.

IF A GUY PUTS HIS GUN AGAINST A CAR LOADED, there will be a chance of it falling and hitting ground
if it falls and hit ground dont blame the gun , blame the dude !
any 14 year old quail hunter will tell you never leave a loaded weapon anywhere where something like this could happen
I JUST HOPE THIS DUDE MADE THE WOODS SAFE FOR US ALL AND STOPPED HUNTING!


i also know a gunsmith at reminton shotgun dept (yes he knows his job rocks)
he builds police and military issue master keys , and is a great barrel fitter,. he will go on for hours about rand d and the measure they take to make items work perfect and safe
they don't joke around at all at Remington and take your safety seriously, their brand is worth more than any amount they could make leaking some bad trigger groups onto market

[80'0'80]

there was a florida police chief who did an episode for NBC or CNN to show how dangerous assult weapons are, he compared an AR15 to an M16. He had cinder blocks set up and blew them away with the AR but when he fired the M16 he shot into the ground in front of the blocks. so the preceived result was that assult weapons were more powerful than military weapons. a few years later that chief was sent to prison for an unrelated felony. once a liar always a liar. just because someone in an athority position says its so doesn't necessarily make it so

[richmeister]

So you didn't watch the special? Didn't see the 700 discharge when the bolt was touched? We all know guns should be pointed in a safe direction, but they should also not discharge without the trigger being touched.

They should also be properly maintained and regularly serviced by professionals, they're machines like any other and need to be properly maintained. You wouldn't simply drive your car until the wheels fell off or brakes had a total failure would you? I'm especially disturbed by the part on malfunctions on the military models because I know those guys think they know what they're doing but unless they've been through armorers school and put in years of work under an experienced armorer/smith they really don't. That's why they issued new orders for the snipers not to tamper with the weapons anymore, leave mods to experts when it comes to firearms or accept the consequences.